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Let $p < q$ be distinct prime numbers and $G$ be a group with $|G| = pq$.
Give an example of $p$, $q$ and $G$ such that $G$ is not isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{pq}$.
Now suppose that $p = 5$ and $q = 7$. Show that $G$ is isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{35}$.
I know we are learning about Sylow's Theorems and group actions, but those are very confusing to me, so I'm not sure how to implement them really.
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Let $p < q$ be distinct prime numbers and $G$ be a group with $|G| = pq$.
Give an example of $p$, $q$ and $G$ such that $G$ is not isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{pq}$.
Now suppose that $p = 5$ and $q = 7$. Show that $G$ is isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{35}$.
I know we are learning about Sylow's Theorems and group actions, but those are very confusing to me, so I'm not sure how to implement them really.
abstract-algebra group-theory group-isomorphism
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Can you think of a non-abelian group of order 6?
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Let $p < q$ be distinct prime numbers and $G$ be a group with $|G| = pq$.
Give an example of $p$, $q$ and $G$ such that $G$ is not isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{pq}$.
Now suppose that $p = 5$ and $q = 7$. Show that $G$ is isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{35}$.
I know we are learning about Sylow's Theorems and group actions, but those are very confusing to me, so I'm not sure how to implement them really.
abstract-algebra group-theory group-isomorphism
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Nonabelian semidirect products of order $pq$?
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Let $p < q$ be distinct prime numbers and $G$ be a group with $|G| = pq$.
Give an example of $p$, $q$ and $G$ such that $G$ is not isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{pq}$.
Now suppose that $p = 5$ and $q = 7$. Show that $G$ is isomorphic to $mathbb{Z}_{35}$.
I know we are learning about Sylow's Theorems and group actions, but those are very confusing to me, so I'm not sure how to implement them really.
This question already has an answer here:
Nonabelian semidirect products of order $pq$?
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Do you have any thoughts on this problem? Any theorems you think might be useful to show this?
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– Ravi
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Can you think of a non-abelian group of order 6?
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Do you have any thoughts on this problem? Any theorems you think might be useful to show this?
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Can you think of a non-abelian group of order 6?
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Do you have any thoughts on this problem? Any theorems you think might be useful to show this?
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Can you think of a non-abelian group of order 6?
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$S_3$, the symmetric group on $3$ letters, is not Abelian, hence $S_3 not cong Bbb Z/6Bbb Z$, although $|S_3| = 2times 3$.
If $|G| = 5 times 7$, then $s_5$ divides $7$ and since $5$ divides $s_5 -1$, we must have $s_5 = 1$. By the same reasoning $s_7 = 1$. Thus, $G$ has exactly one Sylow $5$-subgroup $W_5$ and one Sylow $7$-subgroup $W_7$, and these are normal in $G$, so their direct product $W_5 W_7 le G$. Also, $W_5 cap W_7 = {1}$ ($W_5 cap W_7$ is a subgroup of each, so its order must divide $5 land 7 = 1$). Also, $|W_5 W_7| = |W_5|times |W_7|/|W_5 cap W_7| = 35 = |G|$, hence $G = W_5 W_7$. Therefore $G = W_5 odot W_7$ and is then $cong W_5 times W_7 cong Bbb Z/5 Bbb Z times Bbb Z/7 Bbb Z cong Bbb Z/35 Bbb Z$.
(for a prime $p$, $s_p$ denotes the number of Sylow $p$-subgroups)
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Use the fact that if $|G|=pq $ where both of them are distinct primes with $plt q $. If $p$ divides $q-1$ then there two groups of order $pq$ upto isomorphism, one being cyclic and the other being non abelian.
If $p$ doesn't divide $q-1$ then there is only $1$ group upto ismorphism and that it $Z_{pq}$
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$S_3$, the symmetric group on $3$ letters, is not Abelian, hence $S_3 not cong Bbb Z/6Bbb Z$, although $|S_3| = 2times 3$.
If $|G| = 5 times 7$, then $s_5$ divides $7$ and since $5$ divides $s_5 -1$, we must have $s_5 = 1$. By the same reasoning $s_7 = 1$. Thus, $G$ has exactly one Sylow $5$-subgroup $W_5$ and one Sylow $7$-subgroup $W_7$, and these are normal in $G$, so their direct product $W_5 W_7 le G$. Also, $W_5 cap W_7 = {1}$ ($W_5 cap W_7$ is a subgroup of each, so its order must divide $5 land 7 = 1$). Also, $|W_5 W_7| = |W_5|times |W_7|/|W_5 cap W_7| = 35 = |G|$, hence $G = W_5 W_7$. Therefore $G = W_5 odot W_7$ and is then $cong W_5 times W_7 cong Bbb Z/5 Bbb Z times Bbb Z/7 Bbb Z cong Bbb Z/35 Bbb Z$.
(for a prime $p$, $s_p$ denotes the number of Sylow $p$-subgroups)
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$S_3$, the symmetric group on $3$ letters, is not Abelian, hence $S_3 not cong Bbb Z/6Bbb Z$, although $|S_3| = 2times 3$.
If $|G| = 5 times 7$, then $s_5$ divides $7$ and since $5$ divides $s_5 -1$, we must have $s_5 = 1$. By the same reasoning $s_7 = 1$. Thus, $G$ has exactly one Sylow $5$-subgroup $W_5$ and one Sylow $7$-subgroup $W_7$, and these are normal in $G$, so their direct product $W_5 W_7 le G$. Also, $W_5 cap W_7 = {1}$ ($W_5 cap W_7$ is a subgroup of each, so its order must divide $5 land 7 = 1$). Also, $|W_5 W_7| = |W_5|times |W_7|/|W_5 cap W_7| = 35 = |G|$, hence $G = W_5 W_7$. Therefore $G = W_5 odot W_7$ and is then $cong W_5 times W_7 cong Bbb Z/5 Bbb Z times Bbb Z/7 Bbb Z cong Bbb Z/35 Bbb Z$.
(for a prime $p$, $s_p$ denotes the number of Sylow $p$-subgroups)
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$S_3$, the symmetric group on $3$ letters, is not Abelian, hence $S_3 not cong Bbb Z/6Bbb Z$, although $|S_3| = 2times 3$.
If $|G| = 5 times 7$, then $s_5$ divides $7$ and since $5$ divides $s_5 -1$, we must have $s_5 = 1$. By the same reasoning $s_7 = 1$. Thus, $G$ has exactly one Sylow $5$-subgroup $W_5$ and one Sylow $7$-subgroup $W_7$, and these are normal in $G$, so their direct product $W_5 W_7 le G$. Also, $W_5 cap W_7 = {1}$ ($W_5 cap W_7$ is a subgroup of each, so its order must divide $5 land 7 = 1$). Also, $|W_5 W_7| = |W_5|times |W_7|/|W_5 cap W_7| = 35 = |G|$, hence $G = W_5 W_7$. Therefore $G = W_5 odot W_7$ and is then $cong W_5 times W_7 cong Bbb Z/5 Bbb Z times Bbb Z/7 Bbb Z cong Bbb Z/35 Bbb Z$.
(for a prime $p$, $s_p$ denotes the number of Sylow $p$-subgroups)
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$S_3$, the symmetric group on $3$ letters, is not Abelian, hence $S_3 not cong Bbb Z/6Bbb Z$, although $|S_3| = 2times 3$.
If $|G| = 5 times 7$, then $s_5$ divides $7$ and since $5$ divides $s_5 -1$, we must have $s_5 = 1$. By the same reasoning $s_7 = 1$. Thus, $G$ has exactly one Sylow $5$-subgroup $W_5$ and one Sylow $7$-subgroup $W_7$, and these are normal in $G$, so their direct product $W_5 W_7 le G$. Also, $W_5 cap W_7 = {1}$ ($W_5 cap W_7$ is a subgroup of each, so its order must divide $5 land 7 = 1$). Also, $|W_5 W_7| = |W_5|times |W_7|/|W_5 cap W_7| = 35 = |G|$, hence $G = W_5 W_7$. Therefore $G = W_5 odot W_7$ and is then $cong W_5 times W_7 cong Bbb Z/5 Bbb Z times Bbb Z/7 Bbb Z cong Bbb Z/35 Bbb Z$.
(for a prime $p$, $s_p$ denotes the number of Sylow $p$-subgroups)
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Use the fact that if $|G|=pq $ where both of them are distinct primes with $plt q $. If $p$ divides $q-1$ then there two groups of order $pq$ upto isomorphism, one being cyclic and the other being non abelian.
If $p$ doesn't divide $q-1$ then there is only $1$ group upto ismorphism and that it $Z_{pq}$
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Use the fact that if $|G|=pq $ where both of them are distinct primes with $plt q $. If $p$ divides $q-1$ then there two groups of order $pq$ upto isomorphism, one being cyclic and the other being non abelian.
If $p$ doesn't divide $q-1$ then there is only $1$ group upto ismorphism and that it $Z_{pq}$
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Use the fact that if $|G|=pq $ where both of them are distinct primes with $plt q $. If $p$ divides $q-1$ then there two groups of order $pq$ upto isomorphism, one being cyclic and the other being non abelian.
If $p$ doesn't divide $q-1$ then there is only $1$ group upto ismorphism and that it $Z_{pq}$
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Use the fact that if $|G|=pq $ where both of them are distinct primes with $plt q $. If $p$ divides $q-1$ then there two groups of order $pq$ upto isomorphism, one being cyclic and the other being non abelian.
If $p$ doesn't divide $q-1$ then there is only $1$ group upto ismorphism and that it $Z_{pq}$
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Do you have any thoughts on this problem? Any theorems you think might be useful to show this?
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– Ravi
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Can you think of a non-abelian group of order 6?
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– carmichael561
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