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Compute $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ where



$$C:x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2, x+ y=0, a gt 0$$




At first I thought to parametrize this as: $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$, but then the integral will result in $0$ and this might not be true.










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    I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
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    @RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
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Compute $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ where



$$C:x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2, x+ y=0, a gt 0$$




At first I thought to parametrize this as: $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$, but then the integral will result in $0$ and this might not be true.










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    I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
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    – Robert Z
    Jan 25 at 10:22










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    @RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
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    – C. Cristi
    Jan 25 at 10:25














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Compute $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ where



$$C:x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2, x+ y=0, a gt 0$$




At first I thought to parametrize this as: $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$, but then the integral will result in $0$ and this might not be true.










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Compute $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ where



$$C:x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2, x+ y=0, a gt 0$$




At first I thought to parametrize this as: $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$, but then the integral will result in $0$ and this might not be true.







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    I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
    $endgroup$
    – Robert Z
    Jan 25 at 10:22










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    @RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
    $endgroup$
    – C. Cristi
    Jan 25 at 10:25


















  • $begingroup$
    I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
    $endgroup$
    – Robert Z
    Jan 25 at 10:22










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    @RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
    $endgroup$
    – C. Cristi
    Jan 25 at 10:25
















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I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Jan 25 at 10:22




$begingroup$
I wonder if here we have also the restriction $zgeq0$ otherwise by symmetry the integral is zero.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Jan 25 at 10:22












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@RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
$endgroup$
– C. Cristi
Jan 25 at 10:25




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@RobertZ no restriction this time, why it should be $0$?
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The curve $C$ is a circle in the plane $x+y=0$ centered at the origin with radius $a$, so it is symmetric with respect to the plane $z=0$. Moreover the integrand is odd with respect to $z$and therefore, by symmetry, the given integral $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ is zero.



BTW a convenient parametrization for the circle $C$ could be:
$$x(t)=-y(t)=frac{acos(t)}{sqrt{2}},quad z=asin(t)quad text{with $tin [0,2pi]$}$$






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    If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
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    – C. Cristi
    Jan 25 at 12:39










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    Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
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    – Robert Z
    Jan 25 at 12:47










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    How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
    $endgroup$
    – C. Cristi
    Jan 25 at 12:58










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    @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
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Ok, so lets start with $x + y = 0$ since it has been given to you. This implies that $x^2 = y^2$. From this result we can simplify the following:



begin{align*}
C: 2x^2 + z^2 = a^2
end{align*}



As you can see this implies more of an elliptical curve. Your initial parametrization assumed a circular curve. Also, it is never acceptable to just choose a value for a variable like $z = 0$. This would have to be given to you.



Now, we only have two variables, $x$ and $z$. I am assuming that $a$ is just a positive scalar since $x$, $y$ and $z$ cover the three spacial dimensions. Since the curve relation only has these two variables, we can write one of them in terms of the other as follows:



begin{align*}
z^2 &= a^2 - 2x^2 \
end{align*}



Now, I did not write the relation as a function, because I want to keep it in this form for easier calculations. If I was to write it in terms of $z$, by itself, it would require piece-wise defined functions, which can be avoided in this scenario as I will soon demonstrate. Applying implicit differentiation on the above relation, we can find the following useful result:



begin{align*}
frac{d}{dx}left(z^2right) &= frac{d}{dx}left(a^2right) - 2frac{d}{dx}left(x^2right) \
2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4xfrac{dx}{dx} \
2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4x \
frac{dz}{dx} &= -frac{2x}{z} \
\
left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{z^2} \
left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} \
end{align*}



In general we have the relation, for 3-dimensional space, of:



$$ds = (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2}$$



Since we have $x = -y$, we can deduce that $dx^2 = dy^2$ which allows us to simplify the above relation and reformulate it to a sensible form as follows:



begin{align*}
ds &= (2dx^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2} \
ds &= left(2 + left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
ds &= left(2 + frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
end{align*}



Let me know if I should give more information.






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    $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$ is not a parametrisation of $C$ as $x + y neq 0$. Try plugging $x+y=0$ into $x^2+y^2+z^2 = a^2$ and then use your approach with $sin$ and $cos$.






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      The curve $C$ is a circle in the plane $x+y=0$ centered at the origin with radius $a$, so it is symmetric with respect to the plane $z=0$. Moreover the integrand is odd with respect to $z$and therefore, by symmetry, the given integral $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ is zero.



      BTW a convenient parametrization for the circle $C$ could be:
      $$x(t)=-y(t)=frac{acos(t)}{sqrt{2}},quad z=asin(t)quad text{with $tin [0,2pi]$}$$






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        If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
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        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:39










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        Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
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        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 12:47










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        How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
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        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:58










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        @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
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      The curve $C$ is a circle in the plane $x+y=0$ centered at the origin with radius $a$, so it is symmetric with respect to the plane $z=0$. Moreover the integrand is odd with respect to $z$and therefore, by symmetry, the given integral $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ is zero.



      BTW a convenient parametrization for the circle $C$ could be:
      $$x(t)=-y(t)=frac{acos(t)}{sqrt{2}},quad z=asin(t)quad text{with $tin [0,2pi]$}$$






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      • $begingroup$
        If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:39










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        Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 12:47










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        How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:58










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        @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 13:06














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      The curve $C$ is a circle in the plane $x+y=0$ centered at the origin with radius $a$, so it is symmetric with respect to the plane $z=0$. Moreover the integrand is odd with respect to $z$and therefore, by symmetry, the given integral $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ is zero.



      BTW a convenient parametrization for the circle $C$ could be:
      $$x(t)=-y(t)=frac{acos(t)}{sqrt{2}},quad z=asin(t)quad text{with $tin [0,2pi]$}$$






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      The curve $C$ is a circle in the plane $x+y=0$ centered at the origin with radius $a$, so it is symmetric with respect to the plane $z=0$. Moreover the integrand is odd with respect to $z$and therefore, by symmetry, the given integral $int_C ze^{sqrt{x^2+y^2}} mathrm ds$ is zero.



      BTW a convenient parametrization for the circle $C$ could be:
      $$x(t)=-y(t)=frac{acos(t)}{sqrt{2}},quad z=asin(t)quad text{with $tin [0,2pi]$}$$







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        If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:39










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        Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 12:47










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        How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:58










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        @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 13:06


















      • $begingroup$
        If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:39










      • $begingroup$
        Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 12:47










      • $begingroup$
        How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
        $endgroup$
        – C. Cristi
        Jan 25 at 12:58










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        @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
        $endgroup$
        – Robert Z
        Jan 25 at 13:06
















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      If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
      $endgroup$
      – C. Cristi
      Jan 25 at 12:39




      $begingroup$
      If I have an integral like that and it's a function of more variables under the integral if the function is odd with respect to $1$ variable then the integral must equal 0?
      $endgroup$
      – C. Cristi
      Jan 25 at 12:39












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      Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Z
      Jan 25 at 12:47




      $begingroup$
      Yes if the domain is symmetric with respect to that variable.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Z
      Jan 25 at 12:47












      $begingroup$
      How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
      $endgroup$
      – C. Cristi
      Jan 25 at 12:58




      $begingroup$
      How have you figured out that this one is symetric with $z$?
      $endgroup$
      – C. Cristi
      Jan 25 at 12:58












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      @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Z
      Jan 25 at 13:06




      $begingroup$
      @C.Cristi The defining equations are invariant when we replace $z$ with $-z$.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Z
      Jan 25 at 13:06











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      Ok, so lets start with $x + y = 0$ since it has been given to you. This implies that $x^2 = y^2$. From this result we can simplify the following:



      begin{align*}
      C: 2x^2 + z^2 = a^2
      end{align*}



      As you can see this implies more of an elliptical curve. Your initial parametrization assumed a circular curve. Also, it is never acceptable to just choose a value for a variable like $z = 0$. This would have to be given to you.



      Now, we only have two variables, $x$ and $z$. I am assuming that $a$ is just a positive scalar since $x$, $y$ and $z$ cover the three spacial dimensions. Since the curve relation only has these two variables, we can write one of them in terms of the other as follows:



      begin{align*}
      z^2 &= a^2 - 2x^2 \
      end{align*}



      Now, I did not write the relation as a function, because I want to keep it in this form for easier calculations. If I was to write it in terms of $z$, by itself, it would require piece-wise defined functions, which can be avoided in this scenario as I will soon demonstrate. Applying implicit differentiation on the above relation, we can find the following useful result:



      begin{align*}
      frac{d}{dx}left(z^2right) &= frac{d}{dx}left(a^2right) - 2frac{d}{dx}left(x^2right) \
      2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4xfrac{dx}{dx} \
      2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4x \
      frac{dz}{dx} &= -frac{2x}{z} \
      \
      left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{z^2} \
      left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} \
      end{align*}



      In general we have the relation, for 3-dimensional space, of:



      $$ds = (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2}$$



      Since we have $x = -y$, we can deduce that $dx^2 = dy^2$ which allows us to simplify the above relation and reformulate it to a sensible form as follows:



      begin{align*}
      ds &= (2dx^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2} \
      ds &= left(2 + left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
      ds &= left(2 + frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
      end{align*}



      Let me know if I should give more information.






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        Ok, so lets start with $x + y = 0$ since it has been given to you. This implies that $x^2 = y^2$. From this result we can simplify the following:



        begin{align*}
        C: 2x^2 + z^2 = a^2
        end{align*}



        As you can see this implies more of an elliptical curve. Your initial parametrization assumed a circular curve. Also, it is never acceptable to just choose a value for a variable like $z = 0$. This would have to be given to you.



        Now, we only have two variables, $x$ and $z$. I am assuming that $a$ is just a positive scalar since $x$, $y$ and $z$ cover the three spacial dimensions. Since the curve relation only has these two variables, we can write one of them in terms of the other as follows:



        begin{align*}
        z^2 &= a^2 - 2x^2 \
        end{align*}



        Now, I did not write the relation as a function, because I want to keep it in this form for easier calculations. If I was to write it in terms of $z$, by itself, it would require piece-wise defined functions, which can be avoided in this scenario as I will soon demonstrate. Applying implicit differentiation on the above relation, we can find the following useful result:



        begin{align*}
        frac{d}{dx}left(z^2right) &= frac{d}{dx}left(a^2right) - 2frac{d}{dx}left(x^2right) \
        2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4xfrac{dx}{dx} \
        2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4x \
        frac{dz}{dx} &= -frac{2x}{z} \
        \
        left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{z^2} \
        left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} \
        end{align*}



        In general we have the relation, for 3-dimensional space, of:



        $$ds = (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2}$$



        Since we have $x = -y$, we can deduce that $dx^2 = dy^2$ which allows us to simplify the above relation and reformulate it to a sensible form as follows:



        begin{align*}
        ds &= (2dx^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2} \
        ds &= left(2 + left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
        ds &= left(2 + frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
        end{align*}



        Let me know if I should give more information.






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          $begingroup$

          Ok, so lets start with $x + y = 0$ since it has been given to you. This implies that $x^2 = y^2$. From this result we can simplify the following:



          begin{align*}
          C: 2x^2 + z^2 = a^2
          end{align*}



          As you can see this implies more of an elliptical curve. Your initial parametrization assumed a circular curve. Also, it is never acceptable to just choose a value for a variable like $z = 0$. This would have to be given to you.



          Now, we only have two variables, $x$ and $z$. I am assuming that $a$ is just a positive scalar since $x$, $y$ and $z$ cover the three spacial dimensions. Since the curve relation only has these two variables, we can write one of them in terms of the other as follows:



          begin{align*}
          z^2 &= a^2 - 2x^2 \
          end{align*}



          Now, I did not write the relation as a function, because I want to keep it in this form for easier calculations. If I was to write it in terms of $z$, by itself, it would require piece-wise defined functions, which can be avoided in this scenario as I will soon demonstrate. Applying implicit differentiation on the above relation, we can find the following useful result:



          begin{align*}
          frac{d}{dx}left(z^2right) &= frac{d}{dx}left(a^2right) - 2frac{d}{dx}left(x^2right) \
          2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4xfrac{dx}{dx} \
          2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4x \
          frac{dz}{dx} &= -frac{2x}{z} \
          \
          left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{z^2} \
          left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} \
          end{align*}



          In general we have the relation, for 3-dimensional space, of:



          $$ds = (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2}$$



          Since we have $x = -y$, we can deduce that $dx^2 = dy^2$ which allows us to simplify the above relation and reformulate it to a sensible form as follows:



          begin{align*}
          ds &= (2dx^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2} \
          ds &= left(2 + left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
          ds &= left(2 + frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
          end{align*}



          Let me know if I should give more information.






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          Ok, so lets start with $x + y = 0$ since it has been given to you. This implies that $x^2 = y^2$. From this result we can simplify the following:



          begin{align*}
          C: 2x^2 + z^2 = a^2
          end{align*}



          As you can see this implies more of an elliptical curve. Your initial parametrization assumed a circular curve. Also, it is never acceptable to just choose a value for a variable like $z = 0$. This would have to be given to you.



          Now, we only have two variables, $x$ and $z$. I am assuming that $a$ is just a positive scalar since $x$, $y$ and $z$ cover the three spacial dimensions. Since the curve relation only has these two variables, we can write one of them in terms of the other as follows:



          begin{align*}
          z^2 &= a^2 - 2x^2 \
          end{align*}



          Now, I did not write the relation as a function, because I want to keep it in this form for easier calculations. If I was to write it in terms of $z$, by itself, it would require piece-wise defined functions, which can be avoided in this scenario as I will soon demonstrate. Applying implicit differentiation on the above relation, we can find the following useful result:



          begin{align*}
          frac{d}{dx}left(z^2right) &= frac{d}{dx}left(a^2right) - 2frac{d}{dx}left(x^2right) \
          2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4xfrac{dx}{dx} \
          2zfrac{dz}{dx} &= -4x \
          frac{dz}{dx} &= -frac{2x}{z} \
          \
          left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{z^2} \
          left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 &= frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} \
          end{align*}



          In general we have the relation, for 3-dimensional space, of:



          $$ds = (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2}$$



          Since we have $x = -y$, we can deduce that $dx^2 = dy^2$ which allows us to simplify the above relation and reformulate it to a sensible form as follows:



          begin{align*}
          ds &= (2dx^2 + dz^2)^frac{1}{2} \
          ds &= left(2 + left(frac{dz}{dx}right)^2 right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
          ds &= left(2 + frac{4x^2}{a^2 - x^2} right)^frac{1}{2}dx \
          end{align*}



          Let me know if I should give more information.







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                  $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$ is not a parametrisation of $C$ as $x + y neq 0$. Try plugging $x+y=0$ into $x^2+y^2+z^2 = a^2$ and then use your approach with $sin$ and $cos$.






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                  $x=a cos t , y=a sin t, z =0$ is not a parametrisation of $C$ as $x + y neq 0$. Try plugging $x+y=0$ into $x^2+y^2+z^2 = a^2$ and then use your approach with $sin$ and $cos$.







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                  answered Jan 25 at 10:17









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