Proof that if $sqrt {ab}$ is rational then $sqrt {frac{a}{b}}$ is also rational.












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I can reduce it using the fact that square root of a number is rational if it is a square number.
Now it would be something like :
If $ab=k^2$ for some $k$ in $N$ then show that $frac{a}{b}=m^2$ for some $m$ in $N$



Where $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$



$N$ is the set of natural numbers.



I have tried prime factorisation also
But do not know how to proceed.





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If $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$ and if $sqrt ab$ is integer then prove that $sqrt frac{max(a,b)}{min(a,b)}$ is also an integer.
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    What are $a,b$? If you just mean real numbers then it is false...try $a=pi, b=frac 1{pi}$.
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    If you meant natural numbers then just note that $frac ab=frac {ab}{b^2}$.
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    Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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    Please try a few examples before making claims like that.
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I can reduce it using the fact that square root of a number is rational if it is a square number.
Now it would be something like :
If $ab=k^2$ for some $k$ in $N$ then show that $frac{a}{b}=m^2$ for some $m$ in $N$



Where $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$



$N$ is the set of natural numbers.



I have tried prime factorisation also
But do not know how to proceed.





CLAIM





If $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$ and if $sqrt ab$ is integer then prove that $sqrt frac{max(a,b)}{min(a,b)}$ is also an integer.
Where $N$ is the set of natural numbers.










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    What are $a,b$? If you just mean real numbers then it is false...try $a=pi, b=frac 1{pi}$.
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    If you meant natural numbers then just note that $frac ab=frac {ab}{b^2}$.
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    Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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    Please try a few examples before making claims like that.
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I can reduce it using the fact that square root of a number is rational if it is a square number.
Now it would be something like :
If $ab=k^2$ for some $k$ in $N$ then show that $frac{a}{b}=m^2$ for some $m$ in $N$



Where $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$



$N$ is the set of natural numbers.



I have tried prime factorisation also
But do not know how to proceed.





CLAIM





If $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$ and if $sqrt ab$ is integer then prove that $sqrt frac{max(a,b)}{min(a,b)}$ is also an integer.
Where $N$ is the set of natural numbers.










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I can reduce it using the fact that square root of a number is rational if it is a square number.
Now it would be something like :
If $ab=k^2$ for some $k$ in $N$ then show that $frac{a}{b}=m^2$ for some $m$ in $N$



Where $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$



$N$ is the set of natural numbers.



I have tried prime factorisation also
But do not know how to proceed.





CLAIM





If $a$,$b$ belongs to $N$ and if $sqrt ab$ is integer then prove that $sqrt frac{max(a,b)}{min(a,b)}$ is also an integer.
Where $N$ is the set of natural numbers.







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    If you meant natural numbers then just note that $frac ab=frac {ab}{b^2}$.
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    Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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    What are $a,b$? If you just mean real numbers then it is false...try $a=pi, b=frac 1{pi}$.
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    Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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    Please try a few examples before making claims like that.
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What are $a,b$? If you just mean real numbers then it is false...try $a=pi, b=frac 1{pi}$.
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What are $a,b$? If you just mean real numbers then it is false...try $a=pi, b=frac 1{pi}$.
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Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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Nobody asked that it be a natural number. That is clearly not always the case...if $a=1,b=4$ then $sqrt {ab}=2$ but $sqrt frac ab=frac 12$.
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Hint $ $ Employ $,bsqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}.,$ This is a special case of a general method. Let's view it that way.



Observe that $, overbrace{bx^2 = a}^{large x = sqrt{a/b}}!!!!overset{large times b}iff! overbrace{(bx)^2 = ab}^{large, bx = sqrt{ab}} $ for $,bneq 0$



We scaled the LHS by $b$ to get $,X^2 = ab, X := bx,$ which is now monic (lead coeff $=1).,$ This is a special case of the monicization method used in the AC method for factoring non-monic quadratics.



The same method also works for higher-degree polynomials (as I explain in the linked post), which leads to higher-degree generalizations of the above identity for square-roots.



Generally the method shows that any algebraic number can be written as $,alpha = beta/n,$ where $,ninBbb Z,$ and $,beta,$ is an algebraic integer (i.e. a root of a monic $f(x)inBbb Z[x]),$ e.g. above $,sqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}/b,,$ where $,sqrt{ab},$ is a root of the monic $,x^2!-ab,$ so is an algebraic integer.



In higher-degree cases such equations are generally less obvious, so it is worth being aware of the general viewpoint (even though it is a bit overkill for this particular case).






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    This hint will help you not only prove something you want to, but also state more clearly what you meant.



    If $a,,b$ are rational with $bne 0$ then $sqrt{frac{a}{b}}=frac{sqrt{ab}}{b}$ is the ratio of two rationals, the denominator non-zero. Any such ratio is rational (proof is an exercise).






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      @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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    Your claim works if and only if $b$ is rational.



    Note that



    $frac{sqrt{ab}}{sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}}=b$



    If numerator is rational then denominator is rational too.




    Counterexample for the case when $b$ is irrational take
    $a=2sqrt{2}$ and $b=sqrt{2}$




    Here $sqrt{ab}=2$ however $sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}=sqrt{2}$






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    First, point out that your statement doesn’t hold for $a,b,k,m in mathbb{N}$.



    Take for example $(a,b) = (2,18)$. Then $k = sqrt{ab} = 6 in mathbb{N}$, but $m = sqrt{frac{a}{b}} = frac{1}{3} notin mathbb{N}$.



    But the following statement does hold:




    If $ab = k^2$ with $a,b,k in mathbb{Q}$, then $frac{a}{b} = m^2$ for some $m in mathbb{Q}$, where $mathbb{Q}$ is the set of rational numbers.




    Proof: If $ab = k^2$, then $frac{a}{b} = frac{ab}{b^2} = frac{k^2}{b^2} = (frac{k}{b})^2$, so $m = frac{k}{b}$ is rational, as desired.






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      Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
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      Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
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    An "easy" algebraic proof:



    if (assuming that $a$ and $b$ are rational numbers) $sqrt {ab}={frac{x}{y}}$, then $ab$ is a perfect "square fraction" i.e. $ab=frac{x^2}{y^2}$. then $a=frac{x^2}{by^2}$, and $sqrt frac{a}{b} = sqrt{frac{x^2}{b^2y^2}}=frac{x}{by}=frac{n}{m}$.






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    Hint $ $ Employ $,bsqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}.,$ This is a special case of a general method. Let's view it that way.



    Observe that $, overbrace{bx^2 = a}^{large x = sqrt{a/b}}!!!!overset{large times b}iff! overbrace{(bx)^2 = ab}^{large, bx = sqrt{ab}} $ for $,bneq 0$



    We scaled the LHS by $b$ to get $,X^2 = ab, X := bx,$ which is now monic (lead coeff $=1).,$ This is a special case of the monicization method used in the AC method for factoring non-monic quadratics.



    The same method also works for higher-degree polynomials (as I explain in the linked post), which leads to higher-degree generalizations of the above identity for square-roots.



    Generally the method shows that any algebraic number can be written as $,alpha = beta/n,$ where $,ninBbb Z,$ and $,beta,$ is an algebraic integer (i.e. a root of a monic $f(x)inBbb Z[x]),$ e.g. above $,sqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}/b,,$ where $,sqrt{ab},$ is a root of the monic $,x^2!-ab,$ so is an algebraic integer.



    In higher-degree cases such equations are generally less obvious, so it is worth being aware of the general viewpoint (even though it is a bit overkill for this particular case).






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      Hint $ $ Employ $,bsqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}.,$ This is a special case of a general method. Let's view it that way.



      Observe that $, overbrace{bx^2 = a}^{large x = sqrt{a/b}}!!!!overset{large times b}iff! overbrace{(bx)^2 = ab}^{large, bx = sqrt{ab}} $ for $,bneq 0$



      We scaled the LHS by $b$ to get $,X^2 = ab, X := bx,$ which is now monic (lead coeff $=1).,$ This is a special case of the monicization method used in the AC method for factoring non-monic quadratics.



      The same method also works for higher-degree polynomials (as I explain in the linked post), which leads to higher-degree generalizations of the above identity for square-roots.



      Generally the method shows that any algebraic number can be written as $,alpha = beta/n,$ where $,ninBbb Z,$ and $,beta,$ is an algebraic integer (i.e. a root of a monic $f(x)inBbb Z[x]),$ e.g. above $,sqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}/b,,$ where $,sqrt{ab},$ is a root of the monic $,x^2!-ab,$ so is an algebraic integer.



      In higher-degree cases such equations are generally less obvious, so it is worth being aware of the general viewpoint (even though it is a bit overkill for this particular case).






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        Hint $ $ Employ $,bsqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}.,$ This is a special case of a general method. Let's view it that way.



        Observe that $, overbrace{bx^2 = a}^{large x = sqrt{a/b}}!!!!overset{large times b}iff! overbrace{(bx)^2 = ab}^{large, bx = sqrt{ab}} $ for $,bneq 0$



        We scaled the LHS by $b$ to get $,X^2 = ab, X := bx,$ which is now monic (lead coeff $=1).,$ This is a special case of the monicization method used in the AC method for factoring non-monic quadratics.



        The same method also works for higher-degree polynomials (as I explain in the linked post), which leads to higher-degree generalizations of the above identity for square-roots.



        Generally the method shows that any algebraic number can be written as $,alpha = beta/n,$ where $,ninBbb Z,$ and $,beta,$ is an algebraic integer (i.e. a root of a monic $f(x)inBbb Z[x]),$ e.g. above $,sqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}/b,,$ where $,sqrt{ab},$ is a root of the monic $,x^2!-ab,$ so is an algebraic integer.



        In higher-degree cases such equations are generally less obvious, so it is worth being aware of the general viewpoint (even though it is a bit overkill for this particular case).






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        Hint $ $ Employ $,bsqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}.,$ This is a special case of a general method. Let's view it that way.



        Observe that $, overbrace{bx^2 = a}^{large x = sqrt{a/b}}!!!!overset{large times b}iff! overbrace{(bx)^2 = ab}^{large, bx = sqrt{ab}} $ for $,bneq 0$



        We scaled the LHS by $b$ to get $,X^2 = ab, X := bx,$ which is now monic (lead coeff $=1).,$ This is a special case of the monicization method used in the AC method for factoring non-monic quadratics.



        The same method also works for higher-degree polynomials (as I explain in the linked post), which leads to higher-degree generalizations of the above identity for square-roots.



        Generally the method shows that any algebraic number can be written as $,alpha = beta/n,$ where $,ninBbb Z,$ and $,beta,$ is an algebraic integer (i.e. a root of a monic $f(x)inBbb Z[x]),$ e.g. above $,sqrt{a/b} = sqrt{ab}/b,,$ where $,sqrt{ab},$ is a root of the monic $,x^2!-ab,$ so is an algebraic integer.



        In higher-degree cases such equations are generally less obvious, so it is worth being aware of the general viewpoint (even though it is a bit overkill for this particular case).







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            This hint will help you not only prove something you want to, but also state more clearly what you meant.



            If $a,,b$ are rational with $bne 0$ then $sqrt{frac{a}{b}}=frac{sqrt{ab}}{b}$ is the ratio of two rationals, the denominator non-zero. Any such ratio is rational (proof is an exercise).






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            This hint will help you not only prove something you want to, but also state more clearly what you meant.



            If $a,,b$ are rational with $bne 0$ then $sqrt{frac{a}{b}}=frac{sqrt{ab}}{b}$ is the ratio of two rationals, the denominator non-zero. Any such ratio is rational (proof is an exercise).






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              @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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            This hint will help you not only prove something you want to, but also state more clearly what you meant.



            If $a,,b$ are rational with $bne 0$ then $sqrt{frac{a}{b}}=frac{sqrt{ab}}{b}$ is the ratio of two rationals, the denominator non-zero. Any such ratio is rational (proof is an exercise).






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            This hint will help you not only prove something you want to, but also state more clearly what you meant.



            If $a,,b$ are rational with $bne 0$ then $sqrt{frac{a}{b}}=frac{sqrt{ab}}{b}$ is the ratio of two rationals, the denominator non-zero. Any such ratio is rational (proof is an exercise).







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              @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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              @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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            @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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            @MDesmond Yeah, about that: when you wrote sqrt ab, which obtains $sqrt ab$ (note $b$ is outside the square root), did you actually mean $sqrt{ab}$? If so your MathJax needs curly braces, viz. sqrt{ab}.
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            Your claim works if and only if $b$ is rational.



            Note that



            $frac{sqrt{ab}}{sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}}=b$



            If numerator is rational then denominator is rational too.




            Counterexample for the case when $b$ is irrational take
            $a=2sqrt{2}$ and $b=sqrt{2}$




            Here $sqrt{ab}=2$ however $sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}=sqrt{2}$






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            2












            $begingroup$

            Your claim works if and only if $b$ is rational.



            Note that



            $frac{sqrt{ab}}{sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}}=b$



            If numerator is rational then denominator is rational too.




            Counterexample for the case when $b$ is irrational take
            $a=2sqrt{2}$ and $b=sqrt{2}$




            Here $sqrt{ab}=2$ however $sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}=sqrt{2}$






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              Please see my claim
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              Dec 31 '18 at 6:22














            2












            2








            2





            $begingroup$

            Your claim works if and only if $b$ is rational.



            Note that



            $frac{sqrt{ab}}{sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}}=b$



            If numerator is rational then denominator is rational too.




            Counterexample for the case when $b$ is irrational take
            $a=2sqrt{2}$ and $b=sqrt{2}$




            Here $sqrt{ab}=2$ however $sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}=sqrt{2}$






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            Your claim works if and only if $b$ is rational.



            Note that



            $frac{sqrt{ab}}{sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}}=b$



            If numerator is rational then denominator is rational too.




            Counterexample for the case when $b$ is irrational take
            $a=2sqrt{2}$ and $b=sqrt{2}$




            Here $sqrt{ab}=2$ however $sqrt{dfrac{a}{b}}=sqrt{2}$







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            answered Dec 29 '18 at 15:39









            Rakesh BhattRakesh Bhatt

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            • $begingroup$
              Please see my claim
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              Dec 31 '18 at 6:22


















            • $begingroup$
              Please see my claim
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:22
















            $begingroup$
            Please see my claim
            $endgroup$
            – M Desmond
            Dec 31 '18 at 6:22




            $begingroup$
            Please see my claim
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            First, point out that your statement doesn’t hold for $a,b,k,m in mathbb{N}$.



            Take for example $(a,b) = (2,18)$. Then $k = sqrt{ab} = 6 in mathbb{N}$, but $m = sqrt{frac{a}{b}} = frac{1}{3} notin mathbb{N}$.



            But the following statement does hold:




            If $ab = k^2$ with $a,b,k in mathbb{Q}$, then $frac{a}{b} = m^2$ for some $m in mathbb{Q}$, where $mathbb{Q}$ is the set of rational numbers.




            Proof: If $ab = k^2$, then $frac{a}{b} = frac{ab}{b^2} = frac{k^2}{b^2} = (frac{k}{b})^2$, so $m = frac{k}{b}$ is rational, as desired.






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              Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
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              Please see my claim !
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              Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
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              – Jonas De Schouwer
              Dec 31 '18 at 19:38
















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            $begingroup$

            First, point out that your statement doesn’t hold for $a,b,k,m in mathbb{N}$.



            Take for example $(a,b) = (2,18)$. Then $k = sqrt{ab} = 6 in mathbb{N}$, but $m = sqrt{frac{a}{b}} = frac{1}{3} notin mathbb{N}$.



            But the following statement does hold:




            If $ab = k^2$ with $a,b,k in mathbb{Q}$, then $frac{a}{b} = m^2$ for some $m in mathbb{Q}$, where $mathbb{Q}$ is the set of rational numbers.




            Proof: If $ab = k^2$, then $frac{a}{b} = frac{ab}{b^2} = frac{k^2}{b^2} = (frac{k}{b})^2$, so $m = frac{k}{b}$ is rational, as desired.






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            • $begingroup$
              Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:10










            • $begingroup$
              Please see my claim !
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:20










            • $begingroup$
              Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
              $endgroup$
              – Jonas De Schouwer
              Dec 31 '18 at 19:38














            2












            2








            2





            $begingroup$

            First, point out that your statement doesn’t hold for $a,b,k,m in mathbb{N}$.



            Take for example $(a,b) = (2,18)$. Then $k = sqrt{ab} = 6 in mathbb{N}$, but $m = sqrt{frac{a}{b}} = frac{1}{3} notin mathbb{N}$.



            But the following statement does hold:




            If $ab = k^2$ with $a,b,k in mathbb{Q}$, then $frac{a}{b} = m^2$ for some $m in mathbb{Q}$, where $mathbb{Q}$ is the set of rational numbers.




            Proof: If $ab = k^2$, then $frac{a}{b} = frac{ab}{b^2} = frac{k^2}{b^2} = (frac{k}{b})^2$, so $m = frac{k}{b}$ is rational, as desired.






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            $endgroup$



            First, point out that your statement doesn’t hold for $a,b,k,m in mathbb{N}$.



            Take for example $(a,b) = (2,18)$. Then $k = sqrt{ab} = 6 in mathbb{N}$, but $m = sqrt{frac{a}{b}} = frac{1}{3} notin mathbb{N}$.



            But the following statement does hold:




            If $ab = k^2$ with $a,b,k in mathbb{Q}$, then $frac{a}{b} = m^2$ for some $m in mathbb{Q}$, where $mathbb{Q}$ is the set of rational numbers.




            Proof: If $ab = k^2$, then $frac{a}{b} = frac{ab}{b^2} = frac{k^2}{b^2} = (frac{k}{b})^2$, so $m = frac{k}{b}$ is rational, as desired.







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            edited Dec 30 '18 at 21:08









            J. W. Tanner

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            answered Dec 29 '18 at 15:25









            Jonas De SchouwerJonas De Schouwer

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            • $begingroup$
              Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:10










            • $begingroup$
              Please see my claim !
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:20










            • $begingroup$
              Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
              $endgroup$
              – Jonas De Schouwer
              Dec 31 '18 at 19:38


















            • $begingroup$
              Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:10










            • $begingroup$
              Please see my claim !
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:20










            • $begingroup$
              Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
              $endgroup$
              – Jonas De Schouwer
              Dec 31 '18 at 19:38
















            $begingroup$
            Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
            $endgroup$
            – M Desmond
            Dec 31 '18 at 6:10




            $begingroup$
            Did you notice that 18/2 is a square number of a natural number
            $endgroup$
            – M Desmond
            Dec 31 '18 at 6:10












            $begingroup$
            Please see my claim !
            $endgroup$
            – M Desmond
            Dec 31 '18 at 6:20




            $begingroup$
            Please see my claim !
            $endgroup$
            – M Desmond
            Dec 31 '18 at 6:20












            $begingroup$
            Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
            $endgroup$
            – Jonas De Schouwer
            Dec 31 '18 at 19:38




            $begingroup$
            Yes, but 2/18 is not, which is enough as a counterexample.
            $endgroup$
            – Jonas De Schouwer
            Dec 31 '18 at 19:38











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            An "easy" algebraic proof:



            if (assuming that $a$ and $b$ are rational numbers) $sqrt {ab}={frac{x}{y}}$, then $ab$ is a perfect "square fraction" i.e. $ab=frac{x^2}{y^2}$. then $a=frac{x^2}{by^2}$, and $sqrt frac{a}{b} = sqrt{frac{x^2}{b^2y^2}}=frac{x}{by}=frac{n}{m}$.






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            1












            $begingroup$

            An "easy" algebraic proof:



            if (assuming that $a$ and $b$ are rational numbers) $sqrt {ab}={frac{x}{y}}$, then $ab$ is a perfect "square fraction" i.e. $ab=frac{x^2}{y^2}$. then $a=frac{x^2}{by^2}$, and $sqrt frac{a}{b} = sqrt{frac{x^2}{b^2y^2}}=frac{x}{by}=frac{n}{m}$.






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              Please see my claim
              $endgroup$
              – M Desmond
              Dec 31 '18 at 6:21














            1












            1








            1





            $begingroup$

            An "easy" algebraic proof:



            if (assuming that $a$ and $b$ are rational numbers) $sqrt {ab}={frac{x}{y}}$, then $ab$ is a perfect "square fraction" i.e. $ab=frac{x^2}{y^2}$. then $a=frac{x^2}{by^2}$, and $sqrt frac{a}{b} = sqrt{frac{x^2}{b^2y^2}}=frac{x}{by}=frac{n}{m}$.






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            $endgroup$



            An "easy" algebraic proof:



            if (assuming that $a$ and $b$ are rational numbers) $sqrt {ab}={frac{x}{y}}$, then $ab$ is a perfect "square fraction" i.e. $ab=frac{x^2}{y^2}$. then $a=frac{x^2}{by^2}$, and $sqrt frac{a}{b} = sqrt{frac{x^2}{b^2y^2}}=frac{x}{by}=frac{n}{m}$.







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            answered Dec 29 '18 at 15:18









            ZoberZober

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