Is there a geometrical explanation for a method using critical points in a multivariable context
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I would like to describe you a technique that I found in a physics paper, for which I cannot give a mathematical interpretation.
Let $f(q,g,e,r)=frac{r}{2}(g+q) + q^{frac{p}{2}} e - frac{T}{2} ln{g} - frac{beta}{4} ( (g+q)^{p} - q^{p} - pgq^{p-1} ) - frac{r}{2}$ where $T, beta$ and $p$ are constants.
Then while we compute the stationary (critical) point,
from the equation $0=frac{df}{dr}$ we get that
begin{equation}
g + q -1 =0
end{equation}, which implies that $g=1-q$.
Then put this formula in the initial formula for $f$.
You will get $f=f(q,e) = q^{frac{p}{2}}e - frac{T}{2} ln(1-q) -frac{beta}{4} ( 1 - (p-1)q^{p} - pq^{p-1})$
What geometrical explanation does it have ? Why in general would someone do this ? What do we gain ?
multivariable-calculus calculus-of-variations
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I would like to describe you a technique that I found in a physics paper, for which I cannot give a mathematical interpretation.
Let $f(q,g,e,r)=frac{r}{2}(g+q) + q^{frac{p}{2}} e - frac{T}{2} ln{g} - frac{beta}{4} ( (g+q)^{p} - q^{p} - pgq^{p-1} ) - frac{r}{2}$ where $T, beta$ and $p$ are constants.
Then while we compute the stationary (critical) point,
from the equation $0=frac{df}{dr}$ we get that
begin{equation}
g + q -1 =0
end{equation}, which implies that $g=1-q$.
Then put this formula in the initial formula for $f$.
You will get $f=f(q,e) = q^{frac{p}{2}}e - frac{T}{2} ln(1-q) -frac{beta}{4} ( 1 - (p-1)q^{p} - pq^{p-1})$
What geometrical explanation does it have ? Why in general would someone do this ? What do we gain ?
multivariable-calculus calculus-of-variations
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 15 at 21:19
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:38
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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– Jean Marie
Jan 16 at 14:11
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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– Jean Marie
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I would like to describe you a technique that I found in a physics paper, for which I cannot give a mathematical interpretation.
Let $f(q,g,e,r)=frac{r}{2}(g+q) + q^{frac{p}{2}} e - frac{T}{2} ln{g} - frac{beta}{4} ( (g+q)^{p} - q^{p} - pgq^{p-1} ) - frac{r}{2}$ where $T, beta$ and $p$ are constants.
Then while we compute the stationary (critical) point,
from the equation $0=frac{df}{dr}$ we get that
begin{equation}
g + q -1 =0
end{equation}, which implies that $g=1-q$.
Then put this formula in the initial formula for $f$.
You will get $f=f(q,e) = q^{frac{p}{2}}e - frac{T}{2} ln(1-q) -frac{beta}{4} ( 1 - (p-1)q^{p} - pq^{p-1})$
What geometrical explanation does it have ? Why in general would someone do this ? What do we gain ?
multivariable-calculus calculus-of-variations
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I would like to describe you a technique that I found in a physics paper, for which I cannot give a mathematical interpretation.
Let $f(q,g,e,r)=frac{r}{2}(g+q) + q^{frac{p}{2}} e - frac{T}{2} ln{g} - frac{beta}{4} ( (g+q)^{p} - q^{p} - pgq^{p-1} ) - frac{r}{2}$ where $T, beta$ and $p$ are constants.
Then while we compute the stationary (critical) point,
from the equation $0=frac{df}{dr}$ we get that
begin{equation}
g + q -1 =0
end{equation}, which implies that $g=1-q$.
Then put this formula in the initial formula for $f$.
You will get $f=f(q,e) = q^{frac{p}{2}}e - frac{T}{2} ln(1-q) -frac{beta}{4} ( 1 - (p-1)q^{p} - pq^{p-1})$
What geometrical explanation does it have ? Why in general would someone do this ? What do we gain ?
multivariable-calculus calculus-of-variations
multivariable-calculus calculus-of-variations
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 15 at 21:19
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:38
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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– Jean Marie
Jan 16 at 14:11
1
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 2 at 8:29
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 15 at 21:19
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:38
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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– Jean Marie
Jan 16 at 14:11
1
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 2 at 8:29
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 15 at 21:19
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 15 at 21:19
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:38
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:38
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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– Jean Marie
Jan 16 at 14:11
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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– Jean Marie
Jan 16 at 14:11
1
1
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 2 at 8:29
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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One can get a good understanding of this issue in terms of shadows' limits i.e., limits of projections of a certain surface ; but in a first step, we will need to understand how envelopes of curves (or surfaces, etc.) are involved here.
Let us take an example.
Consider the following expression :
$$f(x,y,z):=(x-z)^2+y^2-z=0. tag{1}$$
Let us interpret (1) as a family of circles :
$$(x-z)^2+y^2=sqrt{z}^2$$
with center $(z,0)$ and radius $sqrt{z}$ (see Fig. 1).

Fig. 1.
$z$ is now considered as a parameter.
If we differentiate (1) with respect to parameter $z$ and equate the result to $0$, we get :
$$-2(x-z)=1 iff z=x+frac12tag{2}$$
If we plug (2) into (1), we get :
$$frac14+y^2-(x+frac12)=0$$
i.e.
$$y^2=x+frac14 iff y=pm sqrt{x+frac14},$$
which is the equation of the envelope (the parabola in red on Fig. 1).
Why that ? Because it is known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_theorem) that the envelope of a family of curves $f(x,y,m)=0$ depending on a parameter $m$, under differentiability conditions that are fulfilled here, is obtained by eliminating $m$ from the two equations $$begin{cases}f(x,y,m)&=&0\dfrac{partial f}{partial m}(x,y,m)&=&0end{cases}tag{3}$$
There is more to say. In fact, we can reinterpret Fig. 1 by taking $z$, not as any parameter but as a plain third coordinate ; in this way $f(x,y,z)=0$ is the implicit equation of a certain surface (here a paraboloid with oblique axis) ; the curve we have obtained is thus the boundary of the shadow of the projection on plane $xOy$ of this surface. This is clear from Fig. 2 which is an "elevation" of Fig. 1.

Fig. 2. : The paraboloid with equation (1) materialized by certain level lines (in black) and their projections onto the horizontal plane, giving back Fig. 1.
Remarks :
1) The concept of envelopes of curves and the associated technique (see (3)) for computing them can be extended in a straightforward manner to surfaces which are envelopes of families of surfaces.
2) A simple explanation for the case of straight lines envelopes I gave as an appendix to an answer : Loci of intersection of lines with positive intercepts??
3) Many examples of envelopes can be found on the net :
https://www.math24.net/envelope-family-curves-page-2/
https://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/handouts/EnvelopeTheorem.pdf
etc.
4) Red curve in Figure 1 can be interpreted as the moving "sound wave" of an aircraft.
5) In the example above, out of an equation with 3 variables $x,y,z$, the elimination process has generated an equation with 2 variables $x,y$. This kind of "dimension reduction by 1" is the most usual. In the example you give, one jumps from $4$ to $2$ variables : we are in a case of degeneracy.
6) See a slightly different explanation in gave to a cousin query : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3095569
7) Related : https://www.math24.net/singular-solutions-differential-equations/
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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– vl.ath
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As far as I can tell, this is an instance of Implicit Function Theorem, where you are obtaining $z$ as a function of $x$ and $y$, say $z = g(x,y)$ so that the function $h(x,y) = f(x,y,g(x,y))$ becomes constant. The function $f$ needs to follow some basic properties for this to happen; essentially $f^{-1}(c)$ should locally look like the graph of a function.
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
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One can get a good understanding of this issue in terms of shadows' limits i.e., limits of projections of a certain surface ; but in a first step, we will need to understand how envelopes of curves (or surfaces, etc.) are involved here.
Let us take an example.
Consider the following expression :
$$f(x,y,z):=(x-z)^2+y^2-z=0. tag{1}$$
Let us interpret (1) as a family of circles :
$$(x-z)^2+y^2=sqrt{z}^2$$
with center $(z,0)$ and radius $sqrt{z}$ (see Fig. 1).

Fig. 1.
$z$ is now considered as a parameter.
If we differentiate (1) with respect to parameter $z$ and equate the result to $0$, we get :
$$-2(x-z)=1 iff z=x+frac12tag{2}$$
If we plug (2) into (1), we get :
$$frac14+y^2-(x+frac12)=0$$
i.e.
$$y^2=x+frac14 iff y=pm sqrt{x+frac14},$$
which is the equation of the envelope (the parabola in red on Fig. 1).
Why that ? Because it is known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_theorem) that the envelope of a family of curves $f(x,y,m)=0$ depending on a parameter $m$, under differentiability conditions that are fulfilled here, is obtained by eliminating $m$ from the two equations $$begin{cases}f(x,y,m)&=&0\dfrac{partial f}{partial m}(x,y,m)&=&0end{cases}tag{3}$$
There is more to say. In fact, we can reinterpret Fig. 1 by taking $z$, not as any parameter but as a plain third coordinate ; in this way $f(x,y,z)=0$ is the implicit equation of a certain surface (here a paraboloid with oblique axis) ; the curve we have obtained is thus the boundary of the shadow of the projection on plane $xOy$ of this surface. This is clear from Fig. 2 which is an "elevation" of Fig. 1.

Fig. 2. : The paraboloid with equation (1) materialized by certain level lines (in black) and their projections onto the horizontal plane, giving back Fig. 1.
Remarks :
1) The concept of envelopes of curves and the associated technique (see (3)) for computing them can be extended in a straightforward manner to surfaces which are envelopes of families of surfaces.
2) A simple explanation for the case of straight lines envelopes I gave as an appendix to an answer : Loci of intersection of lines with positive intercepts??
3) Many examples of envelopes can be found on the net :
https://www.math24.net/envelope-family-curves-page-2/
https://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/handouts/EnvelopeTheorem.pdf
etc.
4) Red curve in Figure 1 can be interpreted as the moving "sound wave" of an aircraft.
5) In the example above, out of an equation with 3 variables $x,y,z$, the elimination process has generated an equation with 2 variables $x,y$. This kind of "dimension reduction by 1" is the most usual. In the example you give, one jumps from $4$ to $2$ variables : we are in a case of degeneracy.
6) See a slightly different explanation in gave to a cousin query : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3095569
7) Related : https://www.math24.net/singular-solutions-differential-equations/
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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– vl.ath
Jan 16 at 18:31
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One can get a good understanding of this issue in terms of shadows' limits i.e., limits of projections of a certain surface ; but in a first step, we will need to understand how envelopes of curves (or surfaces, etc.) are involved here.
Let us take an example.
Consider the following expression :
$$f(x,y,z):=(x-z)^2+y^2-z=0. tag{1}$$
Let us interpret (1) as a family of circles :
$$(x-z)^2+y^2=sqrt{z}^2$$
with center $(z,0)$ and radius $sqrt{z}$ (see Fig. 1).

Fig. 1.
$z$ is now considered as a parameter.
If we differentiate (1) with respect to parameter $z$ and equate the result to $0$, we get :
$$-2(x-z)=1 iff z=x+frac12tag{2}$$
If we plug (2) into (1), we get :
$$frac14+y^2-(x+frac12)=0$$
i.e.
$$y^2=x+frac14 iff y=pm sqrt{x+frac14},$$
which is the equation of the envelope (the parabola in red on Fig. 1).
Why that ? Because it is known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_theorem) that the envelope of a family of curves $f(x,y,m)=0$ depending on a parameter $m$, under differentiability conditions that are fulfilled here, is obtained by eliminating $m$ from the two equations $$begin{cases}f(x,y,m)&=&0\dfrac{partial f}{partial m}(x,y,m)&=&0end{cases}tag{3}$$
There is more to say. In fact, we can reinterpret Fig. 1 by taking $z$, not as any parameter but as a plain third coordinate ; in this way $f(x,y,z)=0$ is the implicit equation of a certain surface (here a paraboloid with oblique axis) ; the curve we have obtained is thus the boundary of the shadow of the projection on plane $xOy$ of this surface. This is clear from Fig. 2 which is an "elevation" of Fig. 1.

Fig. 2. : The paraboloid with equation (1) materialized by certain level lines (in black) and their projections onto the horizontal plane, giving back Fig. 1.
Remarks :
1) The concept of envelopes of curves and the associated technique (see (3)) for computing them can be extended in a straightforward manner to surfaces which are envelopes of families of surfaces.
2) A simple explanation for the case of straight lines envelopes I gave as an appendix to an answer : Loci of intersection of lines with positive intercepts??
3) Many examples of envelopes can be found on the net :
https://www.math24.net/envelope-family-curves-page-2/
https://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/handouts/EnvelopeTheorem.pdf
etc.
4) Red curve in Figure 1 can be interpreted as the moving "sound wave" of an aircraft.
5) In the example above, out of an equation with 3 variables $x,y,z$, the elimination process has generated an equation with 2 variables $x,y$. This kind of "dimension reduction by 1" is the most usual. In the example you give, one jumps from $4$ to $2$ variables : we are in a case of degeneracy.
6) See a slightly different explanation in gave to a cousin query : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3095569
7) Related : https://www.math24.net/singular-solutions-differential-equations/
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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– vl.ath
Jan 16 at 18:31
add a comment |
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One can get a good understanding of this issue in terms of shadows' limits i.e., limits of projections of a certain surface ; but in a first step, we will need to understand how envelopes of curves (or surfaces, etc.) are involved here.
Let us take an example.
Consider the following expression :
$$f(x,y,z):=(x-z)^2+y^2-z=0. tag{1}$$
Let us interpret (1) as a family of circles :
$$(x-z)^2+y^2=sqrt{z}^2$$
with center $(z,0)$ and radius $sqrt{z}$ (see Fig. 1).

Fig. 1.
$z$ is now considered as a parameter.
If we differentiate (1) with respect to parameter $z$ and equate the result to $0$, we get :
$$-2(x-z)=1 iff z=x+frac12tag{2}$$
If we plug (2) into (1), we get :
$$frac14+y^2-(x+frac12)=0$$
i.e.
$$y^2=x+frac14 iff y=pm sqrt{x+frac14},$$
which is the equation of the envelope (the parabola in red on Fig. 1).
Why that ? Because it is known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_theorem) that the envelope of a family of curves $f(x,y,m)=0$ depending on a parameter $m$, under differentiability conditions that are fulfilled here, is obtained by eliminating $m$ from the two equations $$begin{cases}f(x,y,m)&=&0\dfrac{partial f}{partial m}(x,y,m)&=&0end{cases}tag{3}$$
There is more to say. In fact, we can reinterpret Fig. 1 by taking $z$, not as any parameter but as a plain third coordinate ; in this way $f(x,y,z)=0$ is the implicit equation of a certain surface (here a paraboloid with oblique axis) ; the curve we have obtained is thus the boundary of the shadow of the projection on plane $xOy$ of this surface. This is clear from Fig. 2 which is an "elevation" of Fig. 1.

Fig. 2. : The paraboloid with equation (1) materialized by certain level lines (in black) and their projections onto the horizontal plane, giving back Fig. 1.
Remarks :
1) The concept of envelopes of curves and the associated technique (see (3)) for computing them can be extended in a straightforward manner to surfaces which are envelopes of families of surfaces.
2) A simple explanation for the case of straight lines envelopes I gave as an appendix to an answer : Loci of intersection of lines with positive intercepts??
3) Many examples of envelopes can be found on the net :
https://www.math24.net/envelope-family-curves-page-2/
https://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/handouts/EnvelopeTheorem.pdf
etc.
4) Red curve in Figure 1 can be interpreted as the moving "sound wave" of an aircraft.
5) In the example above, out of an equation with 3 variables $x,y,z$, the elimination process has generated an equation with 2 variables $x,y$. This kind of "dimension reduction by 1" is the most usual. In the example you give, one jumps from $4$ to $2$ variables : we are in a case of degeneracy.
6) See a slightly different explanation in gave to a cousin query : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3095569
7) Related : https://www.math24.net/singular-solutions-differential-equations/
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One can get a good understanding of this issue in terms of shadows' limits i.e., limits of projections of a certain surface ; but in a first step, we will need to understand how envelopes of curves (or surfaces, etc.) are involved here.
Let us take an example.
Consider the following expression :
$$f(x,y,z):=(x-z)^2+y^2-z=0. tag{1}$$
Let us interpret (1) as a family of circles :
$$(x-z)^2+y^2=sqrt{z}^2$$
with center $(z,0)$ and radius $sqrt{z}$ (see Fig. 1).

Fig. 1.
$z$ is now considered as a parameter.
If we differentiate (1) with respect to parameter $z$ and equate the result to $0$, we get :
$$-2(x-z)=1 iff z=x+frac12tag{2}$$
If we plug (2) into (1), we get :
$$frac14+y^2-(x+frac12)=0$$
i.e.
$$y^2=x+frac14 iff y=pm sqrt{x+frac14},$$
which is the equation of the envelope (the parabola in red on Fig. 1).
Why that ? Because it is known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_theorem) that the envelope of a family of curves $f(x,y,m)=0$ depending on a parameter $m$, under differentiability conditions that are fulfilled here, is obtained by eliminating $m$ from the two equations $$begin{cases}f(x,y,m)&=&0\dfrac{partial f}{partial m}(x,y,m)&=&0end{cases}tag{3}$$
There is more to say. In fact, we can reinterpret Fig. 1 by taking $z$, not as any parameter but as a plain third coordinate ; in this way $f(x,y,z)=0$ is the implicit equation of a certain surface (here a paraboloid with oblique axis) ; the curve we have obtained is thus the boundary of the shadow of the projection on plane $xOy$ of this surface. This is clear from Fig. 2 which is an "elevation" of Fig. 1.

Fig. 2. : The paraboloid with equation (1) materialized by certain level lines (in black) and their projections onto the horizontal plane, giving back Fig. 1.
Remarks :
1) The concept of envelopes of curves and the associated technique (see (3)) for computing them can be extended in a straightforward manner to surfaces which are envelopes of families of surfaces.
2) A simple explanation for the case of straight lines envelopes I gave as an appendix to an answer : Loci of intersection of lines with positive intercepts??
3) Many examples of envelopes can be found on the net :
https://www.math24.net/envelope-family-curves-page-2/
https://people.duke.edu/~dgraham/handouts/EnvelopeTheorem.pdf
etc.
4) Red curve in Figure 1 can be interpreted as the moving "sound wave" of an aircraft.
5) In the example above, out of an equation with 3 variables $x,y,z$, the elimination process has generated an equation with 2 variables $x,y$. This kind of "dimension reduction by 1" is the most usual. In the example you give, one jumps from $4$ to $2$ variables : we are in a case of degeneracy.
6) See a slightly different explanation in gave to a cousin query : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3095569
7) Related : https://www.math24.net/singular-solutions-differential-equations/
edited Feb 1 at 8:32
answered Jan 16 at 10:12
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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yes i think this answer is quite helpful
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As far as I can tell, this is an instance of Implicit Function Theorem, where you are obtaining $z$ as a function of $x$ and $y$, say $z = g(x,y)$ so that the function $h(x,y) = f(x,y,g(x,y))$ becomes constant. The function $f$ needs to follow some basic properties for this to happen; essentially $f^{-1}(c)$ should locally look like the graph of a function.
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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As far as I can tell, this is an instance of Implicit Function Theorem, where you are obtaining $z$ as a function of $x$ and $y$, say $z = g(x,y)$ so that the function $h(x,y) = f(x,y,g(x,y))$ becomes constant. The function $f$ needs to follow some basic properties for this to happen; essentially $f^{-1}(c)$ should locally look like the graph of a function.
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
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As far as I can tell, this is an instance of Implicit Function Theorem, where you are obtaining $z$ as a function of $x$ and $y$, say $z = g(x,y)$ so that the function $h(x,y) = f(x,y,g(x,y))$ becomes constant. The function $f$ needs to follow some basic properties for this to happen; essentially $f^{-1}(c)$ should locally look like the graph of a function.
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As far as I can tell, this is an instance of Implicit Function Theorem, where you are obtaining $z$ as a function of $x$ and $y$, say $z = g(x,y)$ so that the function $h(x,y) = f(x,y,g(x,y))$ becomes constant. The function $f$ needs to follow some basic properties for this to happen; essentially $f^{-1}(c)$ should locally look like the graph of a function.
answered Jan 15 at 21:38
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
1
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
add a comment |
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
1
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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I am sorry but I don't agree : you don't address the issue which involves solving a system of stationnary equations.
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
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Can you elaborate a bit on what a stationary equation is?
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– Ekanshdeep Gupta
Jan 15 at 21:41
1
1
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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I just asked the same question to the OP...
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– Jean Marie
Jan 15 at 21:44
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
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you are both right..i editted my question.. it's better now
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– vl.ath
Jan 15 at 21:52
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I don't understand what you mean at all. Could you be a bit more precise?
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– BigbearZzz
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I agree with @BigbearZzz The less you can do is to explain what you call "the stationnary equations" : $partial f/partial x = ...$
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I have modified my answer. Could you say if it is what you were expecting ?
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I have taken the liberty to modify the previous very "neutral" title ("geometrical explanation") into a more detailed one, in order that, further on, people who have similar issues may be directed to this question and its answer.
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