RKHS of a Polynomial Kernel with negative roots












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Wikipedia, and actually all books and ressources I could find, define a polynomlial kerenel as:



$$
K: x,y mapsto (x^Ty + c)^2,
$$

where $cge 0$. What happens if $c < 0$? Take the following kernels for example:



$$
forall x,y in mathbb{R}
begin{cases}
K_+: (x,y)mapsto (xy + 1)^2 \
K_-: (x,y)mapsto (xy - 1)^2
end{cases}
$$



Both $K_+$ and $K_-$ are positive definite kernel and therefore both have an RKHS. Shouldn't $K_-$ be included in the polynomial kernel definition?



Another question I have about this example is: although it is quite easy to find $K_+$'s RKHS, it seems way more difficult to find a closed form expression of $K_-$'s RKHS.



An idea could be to see $K_-$ as a $90º$ rotation of $K_+$, but I couldn't get from this to a proper expression of the associated Hilbert space.



Any help would be greatly appreciated :)










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Wikipedia, and actually all books and ressources I could find, define a polynomlial kerenel as:



$$
K: x,y mapsto (x^Ty + c)^2,
$$

where $cge 0$. What happens if $c < 0$? Take the following kernels for example:



$$
forall x,y in mathbb{R}
begin{cases}
K_+: (x,y)mapsto (xy + 1)^2 \
K_-: (x,y)mapsto (xy - 1)^2
end{cases}
$$



Both $K_+$ and $K_-$ are positive definite kernel and therefore both have an RKHS. Shouldn't $K_-$ be included in the polynomial kernel definition?



Another question I have about this example is: although it is quite easy to find $K_+$'s RKHS, it seems way more difficult to find a closed form expression of $K_-$'s RKHS.



An idea could be to see $K_-$ as a $90º$ rotation of $K_+$, but I couldn't get from this to a proper expression of the associated Hilbert space.



Any help would be greatly appreciated :)










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    – Alessandro Codenotti
    yesterday










  • @AlessandroCodenotti Thanks! Just edited it.
    – Marc Leoni
    yesterday














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Wikipedia, and actually all books and ressources I could find, define a polynomlial kerenel as:



$$
K: x,y mapsto (x^Ty + c)^2,
$$

where $cge 0$. What happens if $c < 0$? Take the following kernels for example:



$$
forall x,y in mathbb{R}
begin{cases}
K_+: (x,y)mapsto (xy + 1)^2 \
K_-: (x,y)mapsto (xy - 1)^2
end{cases}
$$



Both $K_+$ and $K_-$ are positive definite kernel and therefore both have an RKHS. Shouldn't $K_-$ be included in the polynomial kernel definition?



Another question I have about this example is: although it is quite easy to find $K_+$'s RKHS, it seems way more difficult to find a closed form expression of $K_-$'s RKHS.



An idea could be to see $K_-$ as a $90º$ rotation of $K_+$, but I couldn't get from this to a proper expression of the associated Hilbert space.



Any help would be greatly appreciated :)










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Wikipedia, and actually all books and ressources I could find, define a polynomlial kerenel as:



$$
K: x,y mapsto (x^Ty + c)^2,
$$

where $cge 0$. What happens if $c < 0$? Take the following kernels for example:



$$
forall x,y in mathbb{R}
begin{cases}
K_+: (x,y)mapsto (xy + 1)^2 \
K_-: (x,y)mapsto (xy - 1)^2
end{cases}
$$



Both $K_+$ and $K_-$ are positive definite kernel and therefore both have an RKHS. Shouldn't $K_-$ be included in the polynomial kernel definition?



Another question I have about this example is: although it is quite easy to find $K_+$'s RKHS, it seems way more difficult to find a closed form expression of $K_-$'s RKHS.



An idea could be to see $K_-$ as a $90º$ rotation of $K_+$, but I couldn't get from this to a proper expression of the associated Hilbert space.



Any help would be greatly appreciated :)







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  • You wrote $K_+$ twice
    – Alessandro Codenotti
    yesterday










  • @AlessandroCodenotti Thanks! Just edited it.
    – Marc Leoni
    yesterday


















  • You wrote $K_+$ twice
    – Alessandro Codenotti
    yesterday










  • @AlessandroCodenotti Thanks! Just edited it.
    – Marc Leoni
    yesterday
















You wrote $K_+$ twice
– Alessandro Codenotti
yesterday




You wrote $K_+$ twice
– Alessandro Codenotti
yesterday












@AlessandroCodenotti Thanks! Just edited it.
– Marc Leoni
yesterday




@AlessandroCodenotti Thanks! Just edited it.
– Marc Leoni
yesterday










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