Trace of a matrix exponential with tensor products, and Von Neumann entropy












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$defT{operatorname{Tr}}$
$def1{mathbb{1}}$
Let $H=H_1otimes H_2otimes H_3$ be a finite dimensional Hilbert space, and let $rho_{123}$ be a self-adjoint matrix with $rho_{123}geq 0$ (positive eigenvalues) and $T{rho_{123}}=1$, so a density matrix.



Furthermore let $i,j,kin{1,2,3}$ different, and define $rho_i=T_{jk}(rho_{123})$ and $rho_{jk}=T_{i}(rho_{123})$, so for example if $rho=A_1otimes B_2otimes 1_3$ then $rho_{1}=A_1$ and $rho_{13}=A_1otimes1_3$.



I was reading this paper - https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.1497701?class=pdf (IV, equation 30) - and there is one property that it takes for granted, but I don't find it at all obvious. Even though it doesn't explicitly say it, I think it's implied there's an equality here:



$$
Tbig(e^{log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}}} (log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}})big) = T_{12}big({rho_{12} log{rho_{12}}}big) + T_{23}big({rho_{23} log{rho_{23}}}big)
$$



I am trying to prove the following generalization of the above property $(A_{12} = log(rho_{12}))$



$$
T_3( e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{12}}) = e^{A_{12}}.
$$



If this is true then the above proposition follows since



$$
T(A_{123}cdot(B_{12}otimes 1_3))= T_{12}(T_3(A_{123})cdot B_{12}).
$$



I have a feeling like the generalization I am trying to prove is false.



Any different proofs of
$$
Tbig(e^{r_{12}+r_{23}}(r_{12}+r_{23})big) = T(e^{r_{12}}r_{12}) + T(e^{r_{23}}r_{23})
$$

are welcome, and any help is appreciated.
Thanks.



EDIT:



If the following is true, it solves all my problems
$$
S(e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{23}}) = S(e^{A_{12}} otimes e^{B_{23}})
$$

where $S$ is the Von Neumann entropy, since
$$
S(e^{A}otimes e^{B}) = S(e^{A}) + S(e^B)
$$

and this leads to the desired result.



Note that LHS matrix operates on $H$, while the RHS one has a greater dimension. I don't know how to apply the known formula
$$
e^{Aotimes 1_2 + 1_1otimes B} = e^{A} otimes e^{B}
$$

in this case since this equation requires $1_1$ and $A$ to operate on the same space, and this is not true in my case.










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    In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
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    Jan 18 at 18:54










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    I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
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    Jan 18 at 18:55










  • $begingroup$
    The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
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    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:03












  • $begingroup$
    That makes sense now, thanks
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    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 19:03










  • $begingroup$
    The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
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    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:11
















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$begingroup$


$defT{operatorname{Tr}}$
$def1{mathbb{1}}$
Let $H=H_1otimes H_2otimes H_3$ be a finite dimensional Hilbert space, and let $rho_{123}$ be a self-adjoint matrix with $rho_{123}geq 0$ (positive eigenvalues) and $T{rho_{123}}=1$, so a density matrix.



Furthermore let $i,j,kin{1,2,3}$ different, and define $rho_i=T_{jk}(rho_{123})$ and $rho_{jk}=T_{i}(rho_{123})$, so for example if $rho=A_1otimes B_2otimes 1_3$ then $rho_{1}=A_1$ and $rho_{13}=A_1otimes1_3$.



I was reading this paper - https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.1497701?class=pdf (IV, equation 30) - and there is one property that it takes for granted, but I don't find it at all obvious. Even though it doesn't explicitly say it, I think it's implied there's an equality here:



$$
Tbig(e^{log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}}} (log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}})big) = T_{12}big({rho_{12} log{rho_{12}}}big) + T_{23}big({rho_{23} log{rho_{23}}}big)
$$



I am trying to prove the following generalization of the above property $(A_{12} = log(rho_{12}))$



$$
T_3( e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{12}}) = e^{A_{12}}.
$$



If this is true then the above proposition follows since



$$
T(A_{123}cdot(B_{12}otimes 1_3))= T_{12}(T_3(A_{123})cdot B_{12}).
$$



I have a feeling like the generalization I am trying to prove is false.



Any different proofs of
$$
Tbig(e^{r_{12}+r_{23}}(r_{12}+r_{23})big) = T(e^{r_{12}}r_{12}) + T(e^{r_{23}}r_{23})
$$

are welcome, and any help is appreciated.
Thanks.



EDIT:



If the following is true, it solves all my problems
$$
S(e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{23}}) = S(e^{A_{12}} otimes e^{B_{23}})
$$

where $S$ is the Von Neumann entropy, since
$$
S(e^{A}otimes e^{B}) = S(e^{A}) + S(e^B)
$$

and this leads to the desired result.



Note that LHS matrix operates on $H$, while the RHS one has a greater dimension. I don't know how to apply the known formula
$$
e^{Aotimes 1_2 + 1_1otimes B} = e^{A} otimes e^{B}
$$

in this case since this equation requires $1_1$ and $A$ to operate on the same space, and this is not true in my case.










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  • $begingroup$
    In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
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    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 18:54










  • $begingroup$
    I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 18:55










  • $begingroup$
    The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
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    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:03












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    That makes sense now, thanks
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    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 19:03










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    The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
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    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:11














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$begingroup$


$defT{operatorname{Tr}}$
$def1{mathbb{1}}$
Let $H=H_1otimes H_2otimes H_3$ be a finite dimensional Hilbert space, and let $rho_{123}$ be a self-adjoint matrix with $rho_{123}geq 0$ (positive eigenvalues) and $T{rho_{123}}=1$, so a density matrix.



Furthermore let $i,j,kin{1,2,3}$ different, and define $rho_i=T_{jk}(rho_{123})$ and $rho_{jk}=T_{i}(rho_{123})$, so for example if $rho=A_1otimes B_2otimes 1_3$ then $rho_{1}=A_1$ and $rho_{13}=A_1otimes1_3$.



I was reading this paper - https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.1497701?class=pdf (IV, equation 30) - and there is one property that it takes for granted, but I don't find it at all obvious. Even though it doesn't explicitly say it, I think it's implied there's an equality here:



$$
Tbig(e^{log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}}} (log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}})big) = T_{12}big({rho_{12} log{rho_{12}}}big) + T_{23}big({rho_{23} log{rho_{23}}}big)
$$



I am trying to prove the following generalization of the above property $(A_{12} = log(rho_{12}))$



$$
T_3( e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{12}}) = e^{A_{12}}.
$$



If this is true then the above proposition follows since



$$
T(A_{123}cdot(B_{12}otimes 1_3))= T_{12}(T_3(A_{123})cdot B_{12}).
$$



I have a feeling like the generalization I am trying to prove is false.



Any different proofs of
$$
Tbig(e^{r_{12}+r_{23}}(r_{12}+r_{23})big) = T(e^{r_{12}}r_{12}) + T(e^{r_{23}}r_{23})
$$

are welcome, and any help is appreciated.
Thanks.



EDIT:



If the following is true, it solves all my problems
$$
S(e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{23}}) = S(e^{A_{12}} otimes e^{B_{23}})
$$

where $S$ is the Von Neumann entropy, since
$$
S(e^{A}otimes e^{B}) = S(e^{A}) + S(e^B)
$$

and this leads to the desired result.



Note that LHS matrix operates on $H$, while the RHS one has a greater dimension. I don't know how to apply the known formula
$$
e^{Aotimes 1_2 + 1_1otimes B} = e^{A} otimes e^{B}
$$

in this case since this equation requires $1_1$ and $A$ to operate on the same space, and this is not true in my case.










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$defT{operatorname{Tr}}$
$def1{mathbb{1}}$
Let $H=H_1otimes H_2otimes H_3$ be a finite dimensional Hilbert space, and let $rho_{123}$ be a self-adjoint matrix with $rho_{123}geq 0$ (positive eigenvalues) and $T{rho_{123}}=1$, so a density matrix.



Furthermore let $i,j,kin{1,2,3}$ different, and define $rho_i=T_{jk}(rho_{123})$ and $rho_{jk}=T_{i}(rho_{123})$, so for example if $rho=A_1otimes B_2otimes 1_3$ then $rho_{1}=A_1$ and $rho_{13}=A_1otimes1_3$.



I was reading this paper - https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.1497701?class=pdf (IV, equation 30) - and there is one property that it takes for granted, but I don't find it at all obvious. Even though it doesn't explicitly say it, I think it's implied there's an equality here:



$$
Tbig(e^{log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}}} (log{rho_{12}}otimes1_3+1_1otimeslog{rho_{23}})big) = T_{12}big({rho_{12} log{rho_{12}}}big) + T_{23}big({rho_{23} log{rho_{23}}}big)
$$



I am trying to prove the following generalization of the above property $(A_{12} = log(rho_{12}))$



$$
T_3( e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{12}}) = e^{A_{12}}.
$$



If this is true then the above proposition follows since



$$
T(A_{123}cdot(B_{12}otimes 1_3))= T_{12}(T_3(A_{123})cdot B_{12}).
$$



I have a feeling like the generalization I am trying to prove is false.



Any different proofs of
$$
Tbig(e^{r_{12}+r_{23}}(r_{12}+r_{23})big) = T(e^{r_{12}}r_{12}) + T(e^{r_{23}}r_{23})
$$

are welcome, and any help is appreciated.
Thanks.



EDIT:



If the following is true, it solves all my problems
$$
S(e^{A_{12}otimes 1_3 + 1_1 otimes B_{23}}) = S(e^{A_{12}} otimes e^{B_{23}})
$$

where $S$ is the Von Neumann entropy, since
$$
S(e^{A}otimes e^{B}) = S(e^{A}) + S(e^B)
$$

and this leads to the desired result.



Note that LHS matrix operates on $H$, while the RHS one has a greater dimension. I don't know how to apply the known formula
$$
e^{Aotimes 1_2 + 1_1otimes B} = e^{A} otimes e^{B}
$$

in this case since this equation requires $1_1$ and $A$ to operate on the same space, and this is not true in my case.







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    In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
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    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 18:54










  • $begingroup$
    I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 18:55










  • $begingroup$
    The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:03












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    That makes sense now, thanks
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 19:03










  • $begingroup$
    The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:11


















  • $begingroup$
    In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 18:54










  • $begingroup$
    I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 18:55










  • $begingroup$
    The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:03












  • $begingroup$
    That makes sense now, thanks
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 19:03










  • $begingroup$
    The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 19:11
















$begingroup$
In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 18:54




$begingroup$
In general, we have $$ e^{A otimes 1 + 1 otimes B} = e^A otimes e^B $$ I suspect that this leads to a proof of your equality. It would be easier to help if you were explicit about the domain/codomain of $A$ and $B$.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 18:54












$begingroup$
I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 18:55




$begingroup$
I was thinking about that, but that is true if the dimension of $A$ is the same as dimension of the $1$ that is multiplied with $B$. In my case $A$ operates on $H_1otimes H_2$ while $1$ operates on $H_1$.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 18:55












$begingroup$
The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 19:03






$begingroup$
The domain/codomain of $rho_{ij}$ is $H_iotimes H_j$. For $rho_i$ it's $H_i$ and for $rho_{123}$ it's $H=H_1otimes H_2 otimes H_3$.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 19:03














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That makes sense now, thanks
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– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 19:03




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That makes sense now, thanks
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– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 19:03












$begingroup$
The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 19:11




$begingroup$
The lower indices show the domain of the operator, it's written for the $mathbb{1}$'s also.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 19:11










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Having looked at the original, here's what I think is going on:



The paper instructs:




A second, more powerful subadditivity inequality...
$$
S(rho_{123}) leq S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23})
$$

under the constraint $operatorname{tr}(rho_{123}) = 1$. To prove this, choose $A = rho_{123}$ and $B = e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}$ in Klein's inequality to obtain
$$
-S(rho_{123})+ S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23}) geq 1 - operatorname{tr} e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}
$$




For reference,




Klein's inequality:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B)
$$




With that, we apply Klein's inequality as follows:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123} - log [e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}]) geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123} - e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123})-
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12}
- operatorname{tr}rho_{123}log rho_{23}
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}})
$$



With that in mind, it seems to me that the equality being implied is
$$
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12} = operatorname{tr}rho_{12}logrho_{12}
$$

Or, more explicitly,
$$
operatorname{tr}[rho_{123} log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) otimes 1_3]] = operatorname{tr}[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123})]]
$$

and similarly for $rho_{23}$. It seems to me that this equality indeed holds; let me know if you would like a proof of it.






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    About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
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    Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
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    Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
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    Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
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Having looked at the original, here's what I think is going on:



The paper instructs:




A second, more powerful subadditivity inequality...
$$
S(rho_{123}) leq S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23})
$$

under the constraint $operatorname{tr}(rho_{123}) = 1$. To prove this, choose $A = rho_{123}$ and $B = e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}$ in Klein's inequality to obtain
$$
-S(rho_{123})+ S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23}) geq 1 - operatorname{tr} e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}
$$




For reference,




Klein's inequality:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B)
$$




With that, we apply Klein's inequality as follows:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123} - log [e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}]) geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123} - e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123})-
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12}
- operatorname{tr}rho_{123}log rho_{23}
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}})
$$



With that in mind, it seems to me that the equality being implied is
$$
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12} = operatorname{tr}rho_{12}logrho_{12}
$$

Or, more explicitly,
$$
operatorname{tr}[rho_{123} log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) otimes 1_3]] = operatorname{tr}[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123})]]
$$

and similarly for $rho_{23}$. It seems to me that this equality indeed holds; let me know if you would like a proof of it.






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    About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
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    – Kolja
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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:20








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 20:42










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 19 at 11:53
















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Having looked at the original, here's what I think is going on:



The paper instructs:




A second, more powerful subadditivity inequality...
$$
S(rho_{123}) leq S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23})
$$

under the constraint $operatorname{tr}(rho_{123}) = 1$. To prove this, choose $A = rho_{123}$ and $B = e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}$ in Klein's inequality to obtain
$$
-S(rho_{123})+ S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23}) geq 1 - operatorname{tr} e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}
$$




For reference,




Klein's inequality:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B)
$$




With that, we apply Klein's inequality as follows:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123} - log [e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}]) geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123} - e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123})-
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12}
- operatorname{tr}rho_{123}log rho_{23}
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}})
$$



With that in mind, it seems to me that the equality being implied is
$$
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12} = operatorname{tr}rho_{12}logrho_{12}
$$

Or, more explicitly,
$$
operatorname{tr}[rho_{123} log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) otimes 1_3]] = operatorname{tr}[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123})]]
$$

and similarly for $rho_{23}$. It seems to me that this equality indeed holds; let me know if you would like a proof of it.






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  • $begingroup$
    About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:19










  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:20








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 20:42










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 19 at 11:53














1












1








1





$begingroup$

Having looked at the original, here's what I think is going on:



The paper instructs:




A second, more powerful subadditivity inequality...
$$
S(rho_{123}) leq S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23})
$$

under the constraint $operatorname{tr}(rho_{123}) = 1$. To prove this, choose $A = rho_{123}$ and $B = e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}$ in Klein's inequality to obtain
$$
-S(rho_{123})+ S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23}) geq 1 - operatorname{tr} e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}
$$




For reference,




Klein's inequality:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B)
$$




With that, we apply Klein's inequality as follows:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123} - log [e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}]) geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123} - e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123})-
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12}
- operatorname{tr}rho_{123}log rho_{23}
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}})
$$



With that in mind, it seems to me that the equality being implied is
$$
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12} = operatorname{tr}rho_{12}logrho_{12}
$$

Or, more explicitly,
$$
operatorname{tr}[rho_{123} log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) otimes 1_3]] = operatorname{tr}[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123})]]
$$

and similarly for $rho_{23}$. It seems to me that this equality indeed holds; let me know if you would like a proof of it.






share|cite|improve this answer









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Having looked at the original, here's what I think is going on:



The paper instructs:




A second, more powerful subadditivity inequality...
$$
S(rho_{123}) leq S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23})
$$

under the constraint $operatorname{tr}(rho_{123}) = 1$. To prove this, choose $A = rho_{123}$ and $B = e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}$ in Klein's inequality to obtain
$$
-S(rho_{123})+ S(rho_{12}) + S(rho_{23}) geq 1 - operatorname{tr} e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}
$$




For reference,




Klein's inequality:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B)
$$




With that, we apply Klein's inequality as follows:
$$
operatorname{tr}A(log A - log B) geq operatorname{tr}(A - B) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123} - log [e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}]) geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123} - e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(log rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq operatorname{tr}(rho_{123})-
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}(logrho_{12} + log rho_{23})
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}}) implies\
-S(rho_{123}) -
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12}
- operatorname{tr}rho_{123}log rho_{23}
geq 1 -
operatorname{tr}(e^{logrho_{12} + log rho_{23}})
$$



With that in mind, it seems to me that the equality being implied is
$$
operatorname{tr}rho_{123}logrho_{12} = operatorname{tr}rho_{12}logrho_{12}
$$

Or, more explicitly,
$$
operatorname{tr}[rho_{123} log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) otimes 1_3]] = operatorname{tr}[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123}) log[operatorname{tr}_3(rho_{123})]]
$$

and similarly for $rho_{23}$. It seems to me that this equality indeed holds; let me know if you would like a proof of it.







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  • $begingroup$
    About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:19










  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:20








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 20:42










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 19 at 11:53


















  • $begingroup$
    About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:19










  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 18 at 20:20








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    Jan 18 at 20:42










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
    $endgroup$
    – Kolja
    Jan 19 at 11:53
















$begingroup$
About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 20:19




$begingroup$
About 5 minutes ago as I was having a pause and it hit me that I used $AlogA - BlogB$ in stead of $AlogA - AlogB$ in Klein's inequality. It all makes complete sense now
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 20:19












$begingroup$
Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 20:20






$begingroup$
Thank you for actually going through the paper to trace what I was looking for. It's kind of unfortunate that such a stupid error in Klein's inequality gave a result that looked half reasonable and made me waste a lot of time on it.
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 18 at 20:20






1




1




$begingroup$
Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 20:42




$begingroup$
Glad we figured out what's going on. For what it's worth, Klein's inequality can also be framed in terms of "relative quantum entropy", as it is done in Watrous's "Theory of Quantum Information". I like this perspective a bit better, and I recommend TQI as a reference.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
Jan 18 at 20:42












$begingroup$
Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 19 at 11:53




$begingroup$
Thanks for the recommendation, TQI is really good !
$endgroup$
– Kolja
Jan 19 at 11:53


















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