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Let $mathscr{R}$ be a ring of subsets of $Omega$ and $mathscr{C}={EsubsetOmega:Einmathscr{R}:text{or}:Omega-Einmathscr{R}}$.



Show that $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra.




To show $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra:



i) $emptysetinmathscr{C}$



ii) $Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Acup Binmathscr{C}$



iii)$Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Asetminus Binmathscr{C}$



iv)$Ainmathscr{C}$ so $A^c=Omegasetminus Ainmathscr{C}$



For example if I want to check $mathscr{C}$ is closed for unions then:



If $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$then $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ because $mathscr{R}$ is a ring hence closed for finite unions or $Omegasetminus(Acup B)=(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is closed for finite intersections. This concludes $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$.



Question:



It was pointed out that this argument I wrote is wrong once I does not prove $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$. But I fail to see why? Can someone tell me what is failing?



Thanks in advance!










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    Let $mathscr{R}$ be a ring of subsets of $Omega$ and $mathscr{C}={EsubsetOmega:Einmathscr{R}:text{or}:Omega-Einmathscr{R}}$.



    Show that $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra.




    To show $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra:



    i) $emptysetinmathscr{C}$



    ii) $Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Acup Binmathscr{C}$



    iii)$Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Asetminus Binmathscr{C}$



    iv)$Ainmathscr{C}$ so $A^c=Omegasetminus Ainmathscr{C}$



    For example if I want to check $mathscr{C}$ is closed for unions then:



    If $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$then $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ because $mathscr{R}$ is a ring hence closed for finite unions or $Omegasetminus(Acup B)=(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is closed for finite intersections. This concludes $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$.



    Question:



    It was pointed out that this argument I wrote is wrong once I does not prove $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$. But I fail to see why? Can someone tell me what is failing?



    Thanks in advance!










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      Let $mathscr{R}$ be a ring of subsets of $Omega$ and $mathscr{C}={EsubsetOmega:Einmathscr{R}:text{or}:Omega-Einmathscr{R}}$.



      Show that $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra.




      To show $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra:



      i) $emptysetinmathscr{C}$



      ii) $Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Acup Binmathscr{C}$



      iii)$Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Asetminus Binmathscr{C}$



      iv)$Ainmathscr{C}$ so $A^c=Omegasetminus Ainmathscr{C}$



      For example if I want to check $mathscr{C}$ is closed for unions then:



      If $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$then $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ because $mathscr{R}$ is a ring hence closed for finite unions or $Omegasetminus(Acup B)=(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is closed for finite intersections. This concludes $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$.



      Question:



      It was pointed out that this argument I wrote is wrong once I does not prove $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$. But I fail to see why? Can someone tell me what is failing?



      Thanks in advance!










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      Let $mathscr{R}$ be a ring of subsets of $Omega$ and $mathscr{C}={EsubsetOmega:Einmathscr{R}:text{or}:Omega-Einmathscr{R}}$.



      Show that $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra.




      To show $mathscr{C}$ is an algebra:



      i) $emptysetinmathscr{C}$



      ii) $Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Acup Binmathscr{C}$



      iii)$Ainmathscr{C}$ and $Binmathscr{C}$ so $Asetminus Binmathscr{C}$



      iv)$Ainmathscr{C}$ so $A^c=Omegasetminus Ainmathscr{C}$



      For example if I want to check $mathscr{C}$ is closed for unions then:



      If $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$then $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ because $mathscr{R}$ is a ring hence closed for finite unions or $Omegasetminus(Acup B)=(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is closed for finite intersections. This concludes $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$.



      Question:



      It was pointed out that this argument I wrote is wrong once I does not prove $Acup B$ is in $mathscr{C}$. But I fail to see why? Can someone tell me what is failing?



      Thanks in advance!







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          You have to take sets $A$ and $ B$ from $mathscr{C}$ and not from $mathscr{R}$. Now do some case analysis



          Case 1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $A-Binmathscr{R}stackrel{?}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          However, I'm not sure how to deal with case 2.






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            How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
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            Jan 18 at 19:39










          • $begingroup$
            I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 21:23












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            Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:06












          • $begingroup$
            Check my answer!
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            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:15



















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          $begingroup$

          After greedoid answer I am able to post an answer to the question. So we have 4 cases:



          1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^c=B^ccap A^c=B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          It was intended to show that either $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ or $(Acup B)^cinmathscr{R}$,which are the conditions defined in $mathscr{C}$ for $Acup B$ to belong to $mathscr{C}$. The remaining sections of the exercise are about the same reasoning.






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            Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
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            Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
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          $begingroup$

          You have to take sets $A$ and $ B$ from $mathscr{C}$ and not from $mathscr{R}$. Now do some case analysis



          Case 1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $A-Binmathscr{R}stackrel{?}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          However, I'm not sure how to deal with case 2.






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          • $begingroup$
            How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 19:39










          • $begingroup$
            I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 21:23












          • $begingroup$
            Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:06












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            Check my answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:15
















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          $begingroup$

          You have to take sets $A$ and $ B$ from $mathscr{C}$ and not from $mathscr{R}$. Now do some case analysis



          Case 1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $A-Binmathscr{R}stackrel{?}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          However, I'm not sure how to deal with case 2.






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          • $begingroup$
            How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 19:39










          • $begingroup$
            I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 21:23












          • $begingroup$
            Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:06












          • $begingroup$
            Check my answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:15














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          $begingroup$

          You have to take sets $A$ and $ B$ from $mathscr{C}$ and not from $mathscr{R}$. Now do some case analysis



          Case 1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $A-Binmathscr{R}stackrel{?}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          However, I'm not sure how to deal with case 2.






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          $endgroup$



          You have to take sets $A$ and $ B$ from $mathscr{C}$ and not from $mathscr{R}$. Now do some case analysis



          Case 1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $A-Binmathscr{R}stackrel{?}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          Case 3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          However, I'm not sure how to deal with case 2.







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          • $begingroup$
            How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 19:39










          • $begingroup$
            I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 21:23












          • $begingroup$
            Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:06












          • $begingroup$
            Check my answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:15


















          • $begingroup$
            How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 19:39










          • $begingroup$
            I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 18 at 21:23












          • $begingroup$
            Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:06












          • $begingroup$
            Check my answer!
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:15
















          $begingroup$
          How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 18 at 19:39




          $begingroup$
          How do I know that if I take a set in $mathscr{C}$, it is in $mathscr{R}$?
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 18 at 19:39












          $begingroup$
          I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 18 at 21:23






          $begingroup$
          I think $Asetminus B$ is closed in $mathscr{R}$ once $mathscr{R}$ is a ring. Thanks for your answer!
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 18 at 21:23














          $begingroup$
          Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
          $endgroup$
          – greedoid
          Jan 19 at 18:06






          $begingroup$
          Yes, but is it in $mathscr{C}$?
          $endgroup$
          – greedoid
          Jan 19 at 18:06














          $begingroup$
          Check my answer!
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 19 at 18:15




          $begingroup$
          Check my answer!
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 19 at 18:15











          0












          $begingroup$

          After greedoid answer I am able to post an answer to the question. So we have 4 cases:



          1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^c=B^ccap A^c=B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          It was intended to show that either $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ or $(Acup B)^cinmathscr{R}$,which are the conditions defined in $mathscr{C}$ for $Acup B$ to belong to $mathscr{C}$. The remaining sections of the exercise are about the same reasoning.






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          • $begingroup$
            Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:20












          • $begingroup$
            Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:23


















          0












          $begingroup$

          After greedoid answer I am able to post an answer to the question. So we have 4 cases:



          1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^c=B^ccap A^c=B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          It was intended to show that either $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ or $(Acup B)^cinmathscr{R}$,which are the conditions defined in $mathscr{C}$ for $Acup B$ to belong to $mathscr{C}$. The remaining sections of the exercise are about the same reasoning.






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          • $begingroup$
            Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:20












          • $begingroup$
            Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:23
















          0












          0








          0





          $begingroup$

          After greedoid answer I am able to post an answer to the question. So we have 4 cases:



          1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^c=B^ccap A^c=B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          It was intended to show that either $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ or $(Acup B)^cinmathscr{R}$,which are the conditions defined in $mathscr{C}$ for $Acup B$ to belong to $mathscr{C}$. The remaining sections of the exercise are about the same reasoning.






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          $endgroup$



          After greedoid answer I am able to post an answer to the question. So we have 4 cases:



          1: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $Binmathscr{R}$ then $Acup Binmathscr{R}implies Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          2: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c=A^ccap B^c=B^ccap A^c=B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          3: $A^cinmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $(Acup B)^c= A^ccap B^cinmathscr{R}stackrel{}{implies} Acup Binmathscr{C}$



          It was intended to show that either $Acup Binmathscr{R}$ or $(Acup B)^cinmathscr{R}$,which are the conditions defined in $mathscr{C}$ for $Acup B$ to belong to $mathscr{C}$. The remaining sections of the exercise are about the same reasoning.







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          • $begingroup$
            Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:20












          • $begingroup$
            Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:23




















          • $begingroup$
            Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
            $endgroup$
            – greedoid
            Jan 19 at 18:20












          • $begingroup$
            Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
            $endgroup$
            – Pedro Gomes
            Jan 19 at 18:23


















          $begingroup$
          Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
          $endgroup$
          – greedoid
          Jan 19 at 18:20






          $begingroup$
          Is this true: $Ainmathscr{R}$ and $B^cinmathscr{R}$ then $B^csetminus Ainmathscr{R}$
          $endgroup$
          – greedoid
          Jan 19 at 18:20














          $begingroup$
          Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 19 at 18:23






          $begingroup$
          Yes it is. Once rings are closed for finite $setminus$ and we admit that $B^cinmathscr{R}$.It does not mean $Binmathscr{R}$ once the latter is a ring.
          $endgroup$
          – Pedro Gomes
          Jan 19 at 18:23




















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