Proving $binom{n + m}{r} = sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r - i}$












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To prove $$binom{n + m}{r} = sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r - i},$$



I demonstrated that the equality is true for any $n,$ for $m = 0, 1,$ and for any $r < n + m$ simply by fixing $n$ and $r$ and inserting $0,1$ for $m.$ Then, I proceed to induct on $m$ (and on $m$ only).





I am not perfectly confident in my self, however, for I see two placeholders, $n$ and $m.$ Is this a case where double induction is needed (first on $m$ and then on $n$)?





Whether or not this proof requires double induction, may someone explain when double induction is needed?





Consider any fixed $n, r geq 0$ and the following two cases (I know that only one case is needed to complete this inductive proof).



CASE 1



begin{align}
binom{n + 0}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{0}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r}binom{0}{0} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r}
end{align}



CASE 2



begin{align}
binom{n + 1}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{1}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r-1}binom{1}{r - (r-1)} + binom{n}{r}binom{1}{r - r} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r}
end{align}



INDUCTION



Suppose it is true for $m leq k.$ Now, consider $$binom{n + (k + 1)}{r}.$$ It follows from Pascal's Identity that



$$binom{n + (k+1)}{r} = binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1}$$



And,



begin{align}
binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}bigg[binom{k}{r - i} + binom{k}{r - 1 - i}bigg] \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i} \ &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i}
end{align}



Hence, the equality holds for $m = k + 1.$ Given that the equality holds for $m = 0, 1,$ and that if equality holds for $m = k,$ it then holds for $m = k + 1,$ it follows that the equality holds $forall m in mathbb{N}.$










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    To prove $$binom{n + m}{r} = sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r - i},$$



    I demonstrated that the equality is true for any $n,$ for $m = 0, 1,$ and for any $r < n + m$ simply by fixing $n$ and $r$ and inserting $0,1$ for $m.$ Then, I proceed to induct on $m$ (and on $m$ only).





    I am not perfectly confident in my self, however, for I see two placeholders, $n$ and $m.$ Is this a case where double induction is needed (first on $m$ and then on $n$)?





    Whether or not this proof requires double induction, may someone explain when double induction is needed?





    Consider any fixed $n, r geq 0$ and the following two cases (I know that only one case is needed to complete this inductive proof).



    CASE 1



    begin{align}
    binom{n + 0}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{0}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r}binom{0}{0} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r}
    end{align}



    CASE 2



    begin{align}
    binom{n + 1}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{1}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r-1}binom{1}{r - (r-1)} + binom{n}{r}binom{1}{r - r} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r}
    end{align}



    INDUCTION



    Suppose it is true for $m leq k.$ Now, consider $$binom{n + (k + 1)}{r}.$$ It follows from Pascal's Identity that



    $$binom{n + (k+1)}{r} = binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1}$$



    And,



    begin{align}
    binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}bigg[binom{k}{r - i} + binom{k}{r - 1 - i}bigg] \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i} \ &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i}
    end{align}



    Hence, the equality holds for $m = k + 1.$ Given that the equality holds for $m = 0, 1,$ and that if equality holds for $m = k,$ it then holds for $m = k + 1,$ it follows that the equality holds $forall m in mathbb{N}.$










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      To prove $$binom{n + m}{r} = sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r - i},$$



      I demonstrated that the equality is true for any $n,$ for $m = 0, 1,$ and for any $r < n + m$ simply by fixing $n$ and $r$ and inserting $0,1$ for $m.$ Then, I proceed to induct on $m$ (and on $m$ only).





      I am not perfectly confident in my self, however, for I see two placeholders, $n$ and $m.$ Is this a case where double induction is needed (first on $m$ and then on $n$)?





      Whether or not this proof requires double induction, may someone explain when double induction is needed?





      Consider any fixed $n, r geq 0$ and the following two cases (I know that only one case is needed to complete this inductive proof).



      CASE 1



      begin{align}
      binom{n + 0}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{0}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r}binom{0}{0} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r}
      end{align}



      CASE 2



      begin{align}
      binom{n + 1}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{1}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r-1}binom{1}{r - (r-1)} + binom{n}{r}binom{1}{r - r} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r}
      end{align}



      INDUCTION



      Suppose it is true for $m leq k.$ Now, consider $$binom{n + (k + 1)}{r}.$$ It follows from Pascal's Identity that



      $$binom{n + (k+1)}{r} = binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1}$$



      And,



      begin{align}
      binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}bigg[binom{k}{r - i} + binom{k}{r - 1 - i}bigg] \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i} \ &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i}
      end{align}



      Hence, the equality holds for $m = k + 1.$ Given that the equality holds for $m = 0, 1,$ and that if equality holds for $m = k,$ it then holds for $m = k + 1,$ it follows that the equality holds $forall m in mathbb{N}.$










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      To prove $$binom{n + m}{r} = sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r - i},$$



      I demonstrated that the equality is true for any $n,$ for $m = 0, 1,$ and for any $r < n + m$ simply by fixing $n$ and $r$ and inserting $0,1$ for $m.$ Then, I proceed to induct on $m$ (and on $m$ only).





      I am not perfectly confident in my self, however, for I see two placeholders, $n$ and $m.$ Is this a case where double induction is needed (first on $m$ and then on $n$)?





      Whether or not this proof requires double induction, may someone explain when double induction is needed?





      Consider any fixed $n, r geq 0$ and the following two cases (I know that only one case is needed to complete this inductive proof).



      CASE 1



      begin{align}
      binom{n + 0}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{0}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r}binom{0}{0} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r}
      end{align}



      CASE 2



      begin{align}
      binom{n + 1}{r} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{1}{r - i} \ &= binom{n}{0}binom{0}{r} + binom{n}{1}binom{0}{r-1} + cdots + binom{n}{r-1}binom{1}{r - (r-1)} + binom{n}{r}binom{1}{r - r} \ &= 0 + 0 + cdots + binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r} \ &= binom{n}{r-1} + binom{n}{r}
      end{align}



      INDUCTION



      Suppose it is true for $m leq k.$ Now, consider $$binom{n + (k + 1)}{r}.$$ It follows from Pascal's Identity that



      $$binom{n + (k+1)}{r} = binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1}$$



      And,



      begin{align}
      binom{n + k}{r} + binom{n + k}{r-1} &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - i} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k}{r - 1 - i} \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}bigg[binom{k}{r - i} + binom{k}{r - 1 - i}bigg] \ &= binom{n}{r} + sum_{i = 0}^{r-1} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i} \ &= sum_{i = 0}^{r} binom{n}{i}binom{k+1}{r-i}
      end{align}



      Hence, the equality holds for $m = k + 1.$ Given that the equality holds for $m = 0, 1,$ and that if equality holds for $m = k,$ it then holds for $m = k + 1,$ it follows that the equality holds $forall m in mathbb{N}.$







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          For a short reply, your induction proof has tiny problem, in that $r$ can take value $n+k$ for the $m = k+1$ induction step. So when you use induction hypothesis to get ${{n+k}choose{r}} = sum_{i=1}^r {nchoose i}{kchoose {r-i}}$, you can actually use it only for $r<n+k$. This is not big problem though as the $r = n+k$ case is trivial.



          For the double-induction, I don't think it's necessary here. The reason is that you are actually fixing an arbitrary $n$ first, and then do induction proof. So the induction proof is within the context of the fixed $n$.






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            Note that$$(x+1)^{n+m}=(x+1)^n(x+1)^m$$
            Then by binomial theorem and collecting terms
            begin{align}
            sum_{r=0}^{n+m}binom{n+m}{r}x^r &=
            sum_{i=0}^{n}binom{n}{i}x^isum_{j=0}^{m}binom{m}{j}x^j \&=
            sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i+j=r}binom{n}{i}binom{m}{j}x^r \ &=
            sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i=0}^rbinom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}x^r
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            Then compare the coefficient






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              Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
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              Regardless, thanks for your input :)
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              No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
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              I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
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            You can think of a combinatoric proof as follows.



            Suppose we have $n$ men and $m$ women, and we wish to form a committee of $r$ people. We can count in two different ways.



            Case 1 $binom{n+m}{r}$ is the number of r-subsets of a set with n+m elements.



            Case 2 First we pick $i$ males. That leaves $r-i$ female to choose. So given $0le i le r$ We have $binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ such committees. If we let $i$ range, we add up all these committees, so we get $displaystylesum_{i=0}^r binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ .



            Since both cases count the same number, they must be equal.






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              Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
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            I think the formula is wrong. If you have $n$ white balls and $m$ red balls then, to choose $r$ balls from then you have to choose $i$ white balls and $r-i$ red balls for some $i$ between $0$ and $min {r,n}$. Hence the sum should be over $0leq r leq min {r,n}$. However, if you define $binom {n} {i}$ to be $0$ when $i >n$ then the formula is correct.






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              Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
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            For a short reply, your induction proof has tiny problem, in that $r$ can take value $n+k$ for the $m = k+1$ induction step. So when you use induction hypothesis to get ${{n+k}choose{r}} = sum_{i=1}^r {nchoose i}{kchoose {r-i}}$, you can actually use it only for $r<n+k$. This is not big problem though as the $r = n+k$ case is trivial.



            For the double-induction, I don't think it's necessary here. The reason is that you are actually fixing an arbitrary $n$ first, and then do induction proof. So the induction proof is within the context of the fixed $n$.






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              For a short reply, your induction proof has tiny problem, in that $r$ can take value $n+k$ for the $m = k+1$ induction step. So when you use induction hypothesis to get ${{n+k}choose{r}} = sum_{i=1}^r {nchoose i}{kchoose {r-i}}$, you can actually use it only for $r<n+k$. This is not big problem though as the $r = n+k$ case is trivial.



              For the double-induction, I don't think it's necessary here. The reason is that you are actually fixing an arbitrary $n$ first, and then do induction proof. So the induction proof is within the context of the fixed $n$.






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                For a short reply, your induction proof has tiny problem, in that $r$ can take value $n+k$ for the $m = k+1$ induction step. So when you use induction hypothesis to get ${{n+k}choose{r}} = sum_{i=1}^r {nchoose i}{kchoose {r-i}}$, you can actually use it only for $r<n+k$. This is not big problem though as the $r = n+k$ case is trivial.



                For the double-induction, I don't think it's necessary here. The reason is that you are actually fixing an arbitrary $n$ first, and then do induction proof. So the induction proof is within the context of the fixed $n$.






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                For a short reply, your induction proof has tiny problem, in that $r$ can take value $n+k$ for the $m = k+1$ induction step. So when you use induction hypothesis to get ${{n+k}choose{r}} = sum_{i=1}^r {nchoose i}{kchoose {r-i}}$, you can actually use it only for $r<n+k$. This is not big problem though as the $r = n+k$ case is trivial.



                For the double-induction, I don't think it's necessary here. The reason is that you are actually fixing an arbitrary $n$ first, and then do induction proof. So the induction proof is within the context of the fixed $n$.







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                    Note that$$(x+1)^{n+m}=(x+1)^n(x+1)^m$$
                    Then by binomial theorem and collecting terms
                    begin{align}
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}binom{n+m}{r}x^r &=
                    sum_{i=0}^{n}binom{n}{i}x^isum_{j=0}^{m}binom{m}{j}x^j \&=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i+j=r}binom{n}{i}binom{m}{j}x^r \ &=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i=0}^rbinom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}x^r
                    end{align}

                    Then compare the coefficient






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                      Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
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                      Regardless, thanks for your input :)
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                      No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
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                      I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
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                    Note that$$(x+1)^{n+m}=(x+1)^n(x+1)^m$$
                    Then by binomial theorem and collecting terms
                    begin{align}
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}binom{n+m}{r}x^r &=
                    sum_{i=0}^{n}binom{n}{i}x^isum_{j=0}^{m}binom{m}{j}x^j \&=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i+j=r}binom{n}{i}binom{m}{j}x^r \ &=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i=0}^rbinom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}x^r
                    end{align}

                    Then compare the coefficient






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                      Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
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                      – Rafael Vergnaud
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                      Regardless, thanks for your input :)
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                      No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
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                      – DragunityMAX
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                      I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
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                    Note that$$(x+1)^{n+m}=(x+1)^n(x+1)^m$$
                    Then by binomial theorem and collecting terms
                    begin{align}
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}binom{n+m}{r}x^r &=
                    sum_{i=0}^{n}binom{n}{i}x^isum_{j=0}^{m}binom{m}{j}x^j \&=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i+j=r}binom{n}{i}binom{m}{j}x^r \ &=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i=0}^rbinom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}x^r
                    end{align}

                    Then compare the coefficient






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                    Note that$$(x+1)^{n+m}=(x+1)^n(x+1)^m$$
                    Then by binomial theorem and collecting terms
                    begin{align}
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}binom{n+m}{r}x^r &=
                    sum_{i=0}^{n}binom{n}{i}x^isum_{j=0}^{m}binom{m}{j}x^j \&=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i+j=r}binom{n}{i}binom{m}{j}x^r \ &=
                    sum_{r=0}^{n+m}sum_{i=0}^rbinom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}x^r
                    end{align}

                    Then compare the coefficient







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                    answered Jan 21 at 1:53









                    DragunityMAXDragunityMAX

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                    • $begingroup$
                      Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 19:46










                    • $begingroup$
                      Regardless, thanks for your input :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 19:46










                    • $begingroup$
                      No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
                      $endgroup$
                      – DragunityMAX
                      Jan 23 at 9:34






                    • 1




                      $begingroup$
                      I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
                      $endgroup$
                      – DragunityMAX
                      Jan 23 at 9:43




















                    • $begingroup$
                      Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 19:46










                    • $begingroup$
                      Regardless, thanks for your input :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 19:46










                    • $begingroup$
                      No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
                      $endgroup$
                      – DragunityMAX
                      Jan 23 at 9:34






                    • 1




                      $begingroup$
                      I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
                      $endgroup$
                      – DragunityMAX
                      Jan 23 at 9:43


















                    $begingroup$
                    Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 19:46




                    $begingroup$
                    Hey, Dragunity. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the alternative look. However, my question was with regards double induction was needed. And, a more general clarification as to when double induction should be used. Maybe you have some input on that?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 19:46












                    $begingroup$
                    Regardless, thanks for your input :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 19:46




                    $begingroup$
                    Regardless, thanks for your input :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 19:46












                    $begingroup$
                    No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
                    $endgroup$
                    – DragunityMAX
                    Jan 23 at 9:34




                    $begingroup$
                    No need to use double induction as the n is arbitrarily when you use induction on m.
                    $endgroup$
                    – DragunityMAX
                    Jan 23 at 9:34




                    1




                    1




                    $begingroup$
                    I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
                    $endgroup$
                    – DragunityMAX
                    Jan 23 at 9:43






                    $begingroup$
                    I seldom see the usage of double induction so I not quite sure about it. You use induction as you can derive case n+1 from cases <= n. Similarly, you use double induction when you can derive case (n+1,m) and (n,m+1) from cases (<=n, <=m). But double induction can always reduce to normal induction by defining an appropriate sequence. @RafaelVergnaud
                    $endgroup$
                    – DragunityMAX
                    Jan 23 at 9:43













                    2












                    $begingroup$

                    You can think of a combinatoric proof as follows.



                    Suppose we have $n$ men and $m$ women, and we wish to form a committee of $r$ people. We can count in two different ways.



                    Case 1 $binom{n+m}{r}$ is the number of r-subsets of a set with n+m elements.



                    Case 2 First we pick $i$ males. That leaves $r-i$ female to choose. So given $0le i le r$ We have $binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ such committees. If we let $i$ range, we add up all these committees, so we get $displaystylesum_{i=0}^r binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ .



                    Since both cases count the same number, they must be equal.






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                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:21
















                    2












                    $begingroup$

                    You can think of a combinatoric proof as follows.



                    Suppose we have $n$ men and $m$ women, and we wish to form a committee of $r$ people. We can count in two different ways.



                    Case 1 $binom{n+m}{r}$ is the number of r-subsets of a set with n+m elements.



                    Case 2 First we pick $i$ males. That leaves $r-i$ female to choose. So given $0le i le r$ We have $binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ such committees. If we let $i$ range, we add up all these committees, so we get $displaystylesum_{i=0}^r binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ .



                    Since both cases count the same number, they must be equal.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$













                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:21














                    2












                    2








                    2





                    $begingroup$

                    You can think of a combinatoric proof as follows.



                    Suppose we have $n$ men and $m$ women, and we wish to form a committee of $r$ people. We can count in two different ways.



                    Case 1 $binom{n+m}{r}$ is the number of r-subsets of a set with n+m elements.



                    Case 2 First we pick $i$ males. That leaves $r-i$ female to choose. So given $0le i le r$ We have $binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ such committees. If we let $i$ range, we add up all these committees, so we get $displaystylesum_{i=0}^r binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ .



                    Since both cases count the same number, they must be equal.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$



                    You can think of a combinatoric proof as follows.



                    Suppose we have $n$ men and $m$ women, and we wish to form a committee of $r$ people. We can count in two different ways.



                    Case 1 $binom{n+m}{r}$ is the number of r-subsets of a set with n+m elements.



                    Case 2 First we pick $i$ males. That leaves $r-i$ female to choose. So given $0le i le r$ We have $binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ such committees. If we let $i$ range, we add up all these committees, so we get $displaystylesum_{i=0}^r binom{n}{i}binom{m}{r-i}$ .



                    Since both cases count the same number, they must be equal.







                    share|cite|improve this answer












                    share|cite|improve this answer



                    share|cite|improve this answer










                    answered Jan 21 at 0:20









                    Joel PereiraJoel Pereira

                    75919




                    75919












                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:21


















                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:21
















                    $begingroup$
                    Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 0:21




                    $begingroup$
                    Hi, Joel. Thanks for your response. I'm aware of the combinatorial explanation for the equality. I was interested in also proving the identity analytically. I was not sure, however, whether single induction (on $m$) was sufficient! Regardless, thanks :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 0:21











                    1












                    $begingroup$

                    I think the formula is wrong. If you have $n$ white balls and $m$ red balls then, to choose $r$ balls from then you have to choose $i$ white balls and $r-i$ red balls for some $i$ between $0$ and $min {r,n}$. Hence the sum should be over $0leq r leq min {r,n}$. However, if you define $binom {n} {i}$ to be $0$ when $i >n$ then the formula is correct.






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                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:11


















                    1












                    $begingroup$

                    I think the formula is wrong. If you have $n$ white balls and $m$ red balls then, to choose $r$ balls from then you have to choose $i$ white balls and $r-i$ red balls for some $i$ between $0$ and $min {r,n}$. Hence the sum should be over $0leq r leq min {r,n}$. However, if you define $binom {n} {i}$ to be $0$ when $i >n$ then the formula is correct.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$













                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:11
















                    1












                    1








                    1





                    $begingroup$

                    I think the formula is wrong. If you have $n$ white balls and $m$ red balls then, to choose $r$ balls from then you have to choose $i$ white balls and $r-i$ red balls for some $i$ between $0$ and $min {r,n}$. Hence the sum should be over $0leq r leq min {r,n}$. However, if you define $binom {n} {i}$ to be $0$ when $i >n$ then the formula is correct.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$



                    I think the formula is wrong. If you have $n$ white balls and $m$ red balls then, to choose $r$ balls from then you have to choose $i$ white balls and $r-i$ red balls for some $i$ between $0$ and $min {r,n}$. Hence the sum should be over $0leq r leq min {r,n}$. However, if you define $binom {n} {i}$ to be $0$ when $i >n$ then the formula is correct.







                    share|cite|improve this answer












                    share|cite|improve this answer



                    share|cite|improve this answer










                    answered Jan 21 at 0:08









                    Kavi Rama MurthyKavi Rama Murthy

                    61.8k42262




                    61.8k42262












                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:11




















                    • $begingroup$
                      Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                      $endgroup$
                      – Rafael Vergnaud
                      Jan 21 at 0:11


















                    $begingroup$
                    Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 0:11






                    $begingroup$
                    Hi, Kavi. Thank you for your response. :) I suppose the identity does rely on the convention that $binom{n}{I} = 0$ when $I > n.$ The identity comes straight out of a textbook, namely Sheldon Ross's A first Course in Probability. (Not that this means the identity is necessarily correct).
                    $endgroup$
                    – Rafael Vergnaud
                    Jan 21 at 0:11




















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