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Im trying to prove theory:
Let x be subset of G. There is a group generated by x which is the intersection of all subgroups of G containing x.



Its not easy for me to do this at all.
I tried many different routes but they seem to go nowhere.
Thanks in advance for anyone who is able to help me proving that theory.










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    Isn't this the definition of a generator. Is the question to show that the generator exists and/or that it is a group?
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Im trying to prove theory:
Let x be subset of G. There is a group generated by x which is the intersection of all subgroups of G containing x.



Its not easy for me to do this at all.
I tried many different routes but they seem to go nowhere.
Thanks in advance for anyone who is able to help me proving that theory.










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Im trying to prove theory:
Let x be subset of G. There is a group generated by x which is the intersection of all subgroups of G containing x.



Its not easy for me to do this at all.
I tried many different routes but they seem to go nowhere.
Thanks in advance for anyone who is able to help me proving that theory.










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Im trying to prove theory:
Let x be subset of G. There is a group generated by x which is the intersection of all subgroups of G containing x.



Its not easy for me to do this at all.
I tried many different routes but they seem to go nowhere.
Thanks in advance for anyone who is able to help me proving that theory.







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    Isn't this the definition of a generator. Is the question to show that the generator exists and/or that it is a group?
    $endgroup$
    – Stan Tendijck
    Jan 25 at 15:42
















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Isn't this the definition of a generator. Is the question to show that the generator exists and/or that it is a group?
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The first thing that's helpful to notice is that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of some group $G$, then so is $Acap B$.



(you can skip down to the next paragraph if you're already familiar with the proof) This is because, firstly, if $ain Acap B$, then $ain A$ and $ain B$. But $A$ and $B$ are themselves groups, so it must be the case that $a^{-1}in A$ and $a^{-1}in B$ both also hold, i.e. $a^{-1}in Acap B$. So $Acap B$ is closed with respect to inverses. And, secondly, if $y$ and $z$ are in $Acap B$, then $y$ and $z$ are in $A$ and $y$ and $z$ are in $B$. Again, since $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $yzin A$ and $yzin B$ both must hold so $yzin Acap B$ must also hold, i.e. $Acap B$ is closed with respect to products. Finally, since both $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $e$ (the identity of $G$) is $in A$ and $in B$, so $ein Acap B$, making $Acap B$ non-empty. Combining these three facts, we see that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of $G$, $Acap B$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



We can extend this line of reasoning to any arbitrary number of subgroups so that, if $A_1,A_2,...,$ and $A_n$ is some list of $n$ subgroups of $G$, then $A_1cap A_2cap...cap A_n$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



So the intersection of subgroups of the $G$ in your question that all contain the set $x$ (from your question) will produce a subgroup containing $x$. Since a subgroup is nothing but a group that is a subset of another group (G, in this case), this is a group containing $x$.



Denote this group by $I$ and let $I=bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s$, where ${i_1,i_2,...,i_r}$ is the set of all subgroups containing $x$.



Now, why is this group that contains $x$ generated by $x$?



Let $x={x_1,x_2,...,x_m}$ and denote the group generated by $x$ by $X$.



On one hand, given that all groups are closed with respect to inverses and multiplication, any group, $i_s$ containing $x$ would have to contain $X$. This is because, since $xsubset i_s$, (by definition) $x_1,x_2,...,x_min i_s$ so every possible product with elements of $x$ and their inverses (like $x_2^5x_7^{-3}x_3$) must be in $i_s$, i.e. $X$ must be in $i_s$. So $Xsubset i_s$ for each $k$ meaning $Xsubset bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



On the other hand, notice that that $X$ is, well, a subgroup of $G$ (because each element in $X$ is of the form $x_1^{k_1}x_2^{k_2}...x_m^{k_m}$, the product of any two such elements or the inverse of any such element will also be of this form). And, this ($X$) is a subgroup that contains $x$. So $X$ is in fact equal to one of the $i_s$ (as $X$ is a subgroup of $G$ containing $x$). Since, in general, $Asupset Acap B;;$, $Xsupsetbigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



In the end, we have $Xsubset I$ and $Xsupset I$ which give us $X=I$.






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The first thing that's helpful to notice is that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of some group $G$, then so is $Acap B$.



(you can skip down to the next paragraph if you're already familiar with the proof) This is because, firstly, if $ain Acap B$, then $ain A$ and $ain B$. But $A$ and $B$ are themselves groups, so it must be the case that $a^{-1}in A$ and $a^{-1}in B$ both also hold, i.e. $a^{-1}in Acap B$. So $Acap B$ is closed with respect to inverses. And, secondly, if $y$ and $z$ are in $Acap B$, then $y$ and $z$ are in $A$ and $y$ and $z$ are in $B$. Again, since $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $yzin A$ and $yzin B$ both must hold so $yzin Acap B$ must also hold, i.e. $Acap B$ is closed with respect to products. Finally, since both $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $e$ (the identity of $G$) is $in A$ and $in B$, so $ein Acap B$, making $Acap B$ non-empty. Combining these three facts, we see that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of $G$, $Acap B$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



We can extend this line of reasoning to any arbitrary number of subgroups so that, if $A_1,A_2,...,$ and $A_n$ is some list of $n$ subgroups of $G$, then $A_1cap A_2cap...cap A_n$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



So the intersection of subgroups of the $G$ in your question that all contain the set $x$ (from your question) will produce a subgroup containing $x$. Since a subgroup is nothing but a group that is a subset of another group (G, in this case), this is a group containing $x$.



Denote this group by $I$ and let $I=bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s$, where ${i_1,i_2,...,i_r}$ is the set of all subgroups containing $x$.



Now, why is this group that contains $x$ generated by $x$?



Let $x={x_1,x_2,...,x_m}$ and denote the group generated by $x$ by $X$.



On one hand, given that all groups are closed with respect to inverses and multiplication, any group, $i_s$ containing $x$ would have to contain $X$. This is because, since $xsubset i_s$, (by definition) $x_1,x_2,...,x_min i_s$ so every possible product with elements of $x$ and their inverses (like $x_2^5x_7^{-3}x_3$) must be in $i_s$, i.e. $X$ must be in $i_s$. So $Xsubset i_s$ for each $k$ meaning $Xsubset bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



On the other hand, notice that that $X$ is, well, a subgroup of $G$ (because each element in $X$ is of the form $x_1^{k_1}x_2^{k_2}...x_m^{k_m}$, the product of any two such elements or the inverse of any such element will also be of this form). And, this ($X$) is a subgroup that contains $x$. So $X$ is in fact equal to one of the $i_s$ (as $X$ is a subgroup of $G$ containing $x$). Since, in general, $Asupset Acap B;;$, $Xsupsetbigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



In the end, we have $Xsubset I$ and $Xsupset I$ which give us $X=I$.






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The first thing that's helpful to notice is that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of some group $G$, then so is $Acap B$.



(you can skip down to the next paragraph if you're already familiar with the proof) This is because, firstly, if $ain Acap B$, then $ain A$ and $ain B$. But $A$ and $B$ are themselves groups, so it must be the case that $a^{-1}in A$ and $a^{-1}in B$ both also hold, i.e. $a^{-1}in Acap B$. So $Acap B$ is closed with respect to inverses. And, secondly, if $y$ and $z$ are in $Acap B$, then $y$ and $z$ are in $A$ and $y$ and $z$ are in $B$. Again, since $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $yzin A$ and $yzin B$ both must hold so $yzin Acap B$ must also hold, i.e. $Acap B$ is closed with respect to products. Finally, since both $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $e$ (the identity of $G$) is $in A$ and $in B$, so $ein Acap B$, making $Acap B$ non-empty. Combining these three facts, we see that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of $G$, $Acap B$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



We can extend this line of reasoning to any arbitrary number of subgroups so that, if $A_1,A_2,...,$ and $A_n$ is some list of $n$ subgroups of $G$, then $A_1cap A_2cap...cap A_n$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



So the intersection of subgroups of the $G$ in your question that all contain the set $x$ (from your question) will produce a subgroup containing $x$. Since a subgroup is nothing but a group that is a subset of another group (G, in this case), this is a group containing $x$.



Denote this group by $I$ and let $I=bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s$, where ${i_1,i_2,...,i_r}$ is the set of all subgroups containing $x$.



Now, why is this group that contains $x$ generated by $x$?



Let $x={x_1,x_2,...,x_m}$ and denote the group generated by $x$ by $X$.



On one hand, given that all groups are closed with respect to inverses and multiplication, any group, $i_s$ containing $x$ would have to contain $X$. This is because, since $xsubset i_s$, (by definition) $x_1,x_2,...,x_min i_s$ so every possible product with elements of $x$ and their inverses (like $x_2^5x_7^{-3}x_3$) must be in $i_s$, i.e. $X$ must be in $i_s$. So $Xsubset i_s$ for each $k$ meaning $Xsubset bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



On the other hand, notice that that $X$ is, well, a subgroup of $G$ (because each element in $X$ is of the form $x_1^{k_1}x_2^{k_2}...x_m^{k_m}$, the product of any two such elements or the inverse of any such element will also be of this form). And, this ($X$) is a subgroup that contains $x$. So $X$ is in fact equal to one of the $i_s$ (as $X$ is a subgroup of $G$ containing $x$). Since, in general, $Asupset Acap B;;$, $Xsupsetbigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



In the end, we have $Xsubset I$ and $Xsupset I$ which give us $X=I$.






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The first thing that's helpful to notice is that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of some group $G$, then so is $Acap B$.



(you can skip down to the next paragraph if you're already familiar with the proof) This is because, firstly, if $ain Acap B$, then $ain A$ and $ain B$. But $A$ and $B$ are themselves groups, so it must be the case that $a^{-1}in A$ and $a^{-1}in B$ both also hold, i.e. $a^{-1}in Acap B$. So $Acap B$ is closed with respect to inverses. And, secondly, if $y$ and $z$ are in $Acap B$, then $y$ and $z$ are in $A$ and $y$ and $z$ are in $B$. Again, since $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $yzin A$ and $yzin B$ both must hold so $yzin Acap B$ must also hold, i.e. $Acap B$ is closed with respect to products. Finally, since both $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $e$ (the identity of $G$) is $in A$ and $in B$, so $ein Acap B$, making $Acap B$ non-empty. Combining these three facts, we see that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of $G$, $Acap B$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



We can extend this line of reasoning to any arbitrary number of subgroups so that, if $A_1,A_2,...,$ and $A_n$ is some list of $n$ subgroups of $G$, then $A_1cap A_2cap...cap A_n$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



So the intersection of subgroups of the $G$ in your question that all contain the set $x$ (from your question) will produce a subgroup containing $x$. Since a subgroup is nothing but a group that is a subset of another group (G, in this case), this is a group containing $x$.



Denote this group by $I$ and let $I=bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s$, where ${i_1,i_2,...,i_r}$ is the set of all subgroups containing $x$.



Now, why is this group that contains $x$ generated by $x$?



Let $x={x_1,x_2,...,x_m}$ and denote the group generated by $x$ by $X$.



On one hand, given that all groups are closed with respect to inverses and multiplication, any group, $i_s$ containing $x$ would have to contain $X$. This is because, since $xsubset i_s$, (by definition) $x_1,x_2,...,x_min i_s$ so every possible product with elements of $x$ and their inverses (like $x_2^5x_7^{-3}x_3$) must be in $i_s$, i.e. $X$ must be in $i_s$. So $Xsubset i_s$ for each $k$ meaning $Xsubset bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



On the other hand, notice that that $X$ is, well, a subgroup of $G$ (because each element in $X$ is of the form $x_1^{k_1}x_2^{k_2}...x_m^{k_m}$, the product of any two such elements or the inverse of any such element will also be of this form). And, this ($X$) is a subgroup that contains $x$. So $X$ is in fact equal to one of the $i_s$ (as $X$ is a subgroup of $G$ containing $x$). Since, in general, $Asupset Acap B;;$, $Xsupsetbigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



In the end, we have $Xsubset I$ and $Xsupset I$ which give us $X=I$.






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The first thing that's helpful to notice is that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of some group $G$, then so is $Acap B$.



(you can skip down to the next paragraph if you're already familiar with the proof) This is because, firstly, if $ain Acap B$, then $ain A$ and $ain B$. But $A$ and $B$ are themselves groups, so it must be the case that $a^{-1}in A$ and $a^{-1}in B$ both also hold, i.e. $a^{-1}in Acap B$. So $Acap B$ is closed with respect to inverses. And, secondly, if $y$ and $z$ are in $Acap B$, then $y$ and $z$ are in $A$ and $y$ and $z$ are in $B$. Again, since $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $yzin A$ and $yzin B$ both must hold so $yzin Acap B$ must also hold, i.e. $Acap B$ is closed with respect to products. Finally, since both $A$ and $B$ are subgroups, $e$ (the identity of $G$) is $in A$ and $in B$, so $ein Acap B$, making $Acap B$ non-empty. Combining these three facts, we see that, if $A$ and $B$ are subgroups of $G$, $Acap B$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



We can extend this line of reasoning to any arbitrary number of subgroups so that, if $A_1,A_2,...,$ and $A_n$ is some list of $n$ subgroups of $G$, then $A_1cap A_2cap...cap A_n$ is also a subgroup of $G$.



So the intersection of subgroups of the $G$ in your question that all contain the set $x$ (from your question) will produce a subgroup containing $x$. Since a subgroup is nothing but a group that is a subset of another group (G, in this case), this is a group containing $x$.



Denote this group by $I$ and let $I=bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s$, where ${i_1,i_2,...,i_r}$ is the set of all subgroups containing $x$.



Now, why is this group that contains $x$ generated by $x$?



Let $x={x_1,x_2,...,x_m}$ and denote the group generated by $x$ by $X$.



On one hand, given that all groups are closed with respect to inverses and multiplication, any group, $i_s$ containing $x$ would have to contain $X$. This is because, since $xsubset i_s$, (by definition) $x_1,x_2,...,x_min i_s$ so every possible product with elements of $x$ and their inverses (like $x_2^5x_7^{-3}x_3$) must be in $i_s$, i.e. $X$ must be in $i_s$. So $Xsubset i_s$ for each $k$ meaning $Xsubset bigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



On the other hand, notice that that $X$ is, well, a subgroup of $G$ (because each element in $X$ is of the form $x_1^{k_1}x_2^{k_2}...x_m^{k_m}$, the product of any two such elements or the inverse of any such element will also be of this form). And, this ($X$) is a subgroup that contains $x$. So $X$ is in fact equal to one of the $i_s$ (as $X$ is a subgroup of $G$ containing $x$). Since, in general, $Asupset Acap B;;$, $Xsupsetbigcap_{s=1}^r i_s=I$.



In the end, we have $Xsubset I$ and $Xsupset I$ which give us $X=I$.







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