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I want to calculate $$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a}$$ where $ a > 0 $

It looks simple because if $a>0$ then $ x^a $ it grows asymptotically faster than $ ln(x) $ so
$$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a} = 0$$
But I don't know how to formally justify that. I am thinking about something what I was doing in case of sequences:
$$frac{ln(x+1)}{(x+1)^a} cdot frac{x^a}{ln(x)} $$
But it have no sense because sequences was being considered in $mathbb N$ but functions like that are considered in $mathbb R$
I can't use there hospital's rule










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I want to calculate $$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a}$$ where $ a > 0 $

It looks simple because if $a>0$ then $ x^a $ it grows asymptotically faster than $ ln(x) $ so
$$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a} = 0$$
But I don't know how to formally justify that. I am thinking about something what I was doing in case of sequences:
$$frac{ln(x+1)}{(x+1)^a} cdot frac{x^a}{ln(x)} $$
But it have no sense because sequences was being considered in $mathbb N$ but functions like that are considered in $mathbb R$
I can't use there hospital's rule










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    Why you haven´t applied l´hospital?
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    because I can't use that there.
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    Here, Propositions 2.2 is a proof of $frac{x^{varepsilon}}{ln{x}} rightarrow infty$
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    – rtybase
    Jan 20 at 1:47










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I want to calculate $$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a}$$ where $ a > 0 $

It looks simple because if $a>0$ then $ x^a $ it grows asymptotically faster than $ ln(x) $ so
$$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a} = 0$$
But I don't know how to formally justify that. I am thinking about something what I was doing in case of sequences:
$$frac{ln(x+1)}{(x+1)^a} cdot frac{x^a}{ln(x)} $$
But it have no sense because sequences was being considered in $mathbb N$ but functions like that are considered in $mathbb R$
I can't use there hospital's rule










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I want to calculate $$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a}$$ where $ a > 0 $

It looks simple because if $a>0$ then $ x^a $ it grows asymptotically faster than $ ln(x) $ so
$$limlimits_{ xto infty} frac{ln(x)}{x^a} = 0$$
But I don't know how to formally justify that. I am thinking about something what I was doing in case of sequences:
$$frac{ln(x+1)}{(x+1)^a} cdot frac{x^a}{ln(x)} $$
But it have no sense because sequences was being considered in $mathbb N$ but functions like that are considered in $mathbb R$
I can't use there hospital's rule





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    Why you haven´t applied l´hospital?
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    because I can't use that there.
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    – VirtualUser
    Jan 20 at 1:08










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    Here, Propositions 2.2 is a proof of $frac{x^{varepsilon}}{ln{x}} rightarrow infty$
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    – rtybase
    Jan 20 at 1:47










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    $begingroup$
    Why you haven´t applied l´hospital?
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    – callculus
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    because I can't use that there.
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    – VirtualUser
    Jan 20 at 1:08










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    Here, Propositions 2.2 is a proof of $frac{x^{varepsilon}}{ln{x}} rightarrow infty$
    $endgroup$
    – rtybase
    Jan 20 at 1:47










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    Here is another one ...
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Hint: You can use the change of variable $x = e^y$.
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Why you haven´t applied l´hospital?
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because I can't use that there.
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because I can't use that there.
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Here, Propositions 2.2 is a proof of $frac{x^{varepsilon}}{ln{x}} rightarrow infty$
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– rtybase
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Here, Propositions 2.2 is a proof of $frac{x^{varepsilon}}{ln{x}} rightarrow infty$
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Lemma: Let $f,g: mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be continuous functions such that $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} g(t) = infty$ and
$$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L, $$
then $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} f(t) = L.$$




Proof: We need to show that for every $varepsilon>0$, there exists $M >0$, such that
$$forall t>M Rightarrow left|f(t) - Lright|<varepsilon. $$



Let $varepsilon$ be a number greater than zero, once $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L$, there exists $M_1 >0$ such that



$$forall t>M_1 Rightarrow |f(g(t)) - L|<varepsilon. quad (1) $$



Define $M_2 := inf{g(t), t > M_1}$. Once $g(t) rightarrow infty$ when $t rightarrow infty$, by the mean value theorem, for every $s> M_2$, there exists $z> M_1$ satisfying $g(z) = s$. Therefore using the previous conclusion and (1) we are able to conclude



$$forall s > M_2 Rightarrow |f(s) - L | < varepsilon, $$
which demonstrates the lemma.





Now define the functions ($a>0$) $$f(x) = frac{ln(x)}{x^a} text{and} g(x) = e^x.$$



Note that $$f(g(x)) = frac{x}{e^{ax}},$$ implying (because $a>0$)



$$lim_{x rightarrow infty} frac{x}{e^{ax}} = 0,$$
and using our lemma, we conclude that
$$lim_{t rightarrow infty} frac{ln(t)}{t^a} = 0. $$






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    Hint:



    For $x > 1$ and $0 < b < a$,



    $$0 < frac{ln x}{x^a} = frac{1}{b} frac{ln x^b}{x^a} < frac{x^b}{bx^a}$$






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      $$
      x^a=e^{aln x}=1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2+cdots
      $$

      Hence for large $x>1$,
      $$
      0lefrac{ln x}{x^a}lefrac{ln x}{1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2}=
      frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}.
      $$

      But
      $$
      frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}to 0
      $$

      as $xto infty$.






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        Lemma: Let $f,g: mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be continuous functions such that $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} g(t) = infty$ and
        $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L, $$
        then $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} f(t) = L.$$




        Proof: We need to show that for every $varepsilon>0$, there exists $M >0$, such that
        $$forall t>M Rightarrow left|f(t) - Lright|<varepsilon. $$



        Let $varepsilon$ be a number greater than zero, once $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L$, there exists $M_1 >0$ such that



        $$forall t>M_1 Rightarrow |f(g(t)) - L|<varepsilon. quad (1) $$



        Define $M_2 := inf{g(t), t > M_1}$. Once $g(t) rightarrow infty$ when $t rightarrow infty$, by the mean value theorem, for every $s> M_2$, there exists $z> M_1$ satisfying $g(z) = s$. Therefore using the previous conclusion and (1) we are able to conclude



        $$forall s > M_2 Rightarrow |f(s) - L | < varepsilon, $$
        which demonstrates the lemma.





        Now define the functions ($a>0$) $$f(x) = frac{ln(x)}{x^a} text{and} g(x) = e^x.$$



        Note that $$f(g(x)) = frac{x}{e^{ax}},$$ implying (because $a>0$)



        $$lim_{x rightarrow infty} frac{x}{e^{ax}} = 0,$$
        and using our lemma, we conclude that
        $$lim_{t rightarrow infty} frac{ln(t)}{t^a} = 0. $$






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          Lemma: Let $f,g: mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be continuous functions such that $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} g(t) = infty$ and
          $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L, $$
          then $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} f(t) = L.$$




          Proof: We need to show that for every $varepsilon>0$, there exists $M >0$, such that
          $$forall t>M Rightarrow left|f(t) - Lright|<varepsilon. $$



          Let $varepsilon$ be a number greater than zero, once $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L$, there exists $M_1 >0$ such that



          $$forall t>M_1 Rightarrow |f(g(t)) - L|<varepsilon. quad (1) $$



          Define $M_2 := inf{g(t), t > M_1}$. Once $g(t) rightarrow infty$ when $t rightarrow infty$, by the mean value theorem, for every $s> M_2$, there exists $z> M_1$ satisfying $g(z) = s$. Therefore using the previous conclusion and (1) we are able to conclude



          $$forall s > M_2 Rightarrow |f(s) - L | < varepsilon, $$
          which demonstrates the lemma.





          Now define the functions ($a>0$) $$f(x) = frac{ln(x)}{x^a} text{and} g(x) = e^x.$$



          Note that $$f(g(x)) = frac{x}{e^{ax}},$$ implying (because $a>0$)



          $$lim_{x rightarrow infty} frac{x}{e^{ax}} = 0,$$
          and using our lemma, we conclude that
          $$lim_{t rightarrow infty} frac{ln(t)}{t^a} = 0. $$






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            Lemma: Let $f,g: mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be continuous functions such that $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} g(t) = infty$ and
            $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L, $$
            then $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} f(t) = L.$$




            Proof: We need to show that for every $varepsilon>0$, there exists $M >0$, such that
            $$forall t>M Rightarrow left|f(t) - Lright|<varepsilon. $$



            Let $varepsilon$ be a number greater than zero, once $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L$, there exists $M_1 >0$ such that



            $$forall t>M_1 Rightarrow |f(g(t)) - L|<varepsilon. quad (1) $$



            Define $M_2 := inf{g(t), t > M_1}$. Once $g(t) rightarrow infty$ when $t rightarrow infty$, by the mean value theorem, for every $s> M_2$, there exists $z> M_1$ satisfying $g(z) = s$. Therefore using the previous conclusion and (1) we are able to conclude



            $$forall s > M_2 Rightarrow |f(s) - L | < varepsilon, $$
            which demonstrates the lemma.





            Now define the functions ($a>0$) $$f(x) = frac{ln(x)}{x^a} text{and} g(x) = e^x.$$



            Note that $$f(g(x)) = frac{x}{e^{ax}},$$ implying (because $a>0$)



            $$lim_{x rightarrow infty} frac{x}{e^{ax}} = 0,$$
            and using our lemma, we conclude that
            $$lim_{t rightarrow infty} frac{ln(t)}{t^a} = 0. $$






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            Lemma: Let $f,g: mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be continuous functions such that $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} g(t) = infty$ and
            $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L, $$
            then $$limlimits_{trightarrow infty} f(t) = L.$$




            Proof: We need to show that for every $varepsilon>0$, there exists $M >0$, such that
            $$forall t>M Rightarrow left|f(t) - Lright|<varepsilon. $$



            Let $varepsilon$ be a number greater than zero, once $limlimits_{trightarrow infty} fleft(g(t)right) = L$, there exists $M_1 >0$ such that



            $$forall t>M_1 Rightarrow |f(g(t)) - L|<varepsilon. quad (1) $$



            Define $M_2 := inf{g(t), t > M_1}$. Once $g(t) rightarrow infty$ when $t rightarrow infty$, by the mean value theorem, for every $s> M_2$, there exists $z> M_1$ satisfying $g(z) = s$. Therefore using the previous conclusion and (1) we are able to conclude



            $$forall s > M_2 Rightarrow |f(s) - L | < varepsilon, $$
            which demonstrates the lemma.





            Now define the functions ($a>0$) $$f(x) = frac{ln(x)}{x^a} text{and} g(x) = e^x.$$



            Note that $$f(g(x)) = frac{x}{e^{ax}},$$ implying (because $a>0$)



            $$lim_{x rightarrow infty} frac{x}{e^{ax}} = 0,$$
            and using our lemma, we conclude that
            $$lim_{t rightarrow infty} frac{ln(t)}{t^a} = 0. $$







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                Hint:



                For $x > 1$ and $0 < b < a$,



                $$0 < frac{ln x}{x^a} = frac{1}{b} frac{ln x^b}{x^a} < frac{x^b}{bx^a}$$






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                  Hint:



                  For $x > 1$ and $0 < b < a$,



                  $$0 < frac{ln x}{x^a} = frac{1}{b} frac{ln x^b}{x^a} < frac{x^b}{bx^a}$$






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                    Hint:



                    For $x > 1$ and $0 < b < a$,



                    $$0 < frac{ln x}{x^a} = frac{1}{b} frac{ln x^b}{x^a} < frac{x^b}{bx^a}$$






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                    Hint:



                    For $x > 1$ and $0 < b < a$,



                    $$0 < frac{ln x}{x^a} = frac{1}{b} frac{ln x^b}{x^a} < frac{x^b}{bx^a}$$







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                        $$
                        x^a=e^{aln x}=1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2+cdots
                        $$

                        Hence for large $x>1$,
                        $$
                        0lefrac{ln x}{x^a}lefrac{ln x}{1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2}=
                        frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}.
                        $$

                        But
                        $$
                        frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}to 0
                        $$

                        as $xto infty$.






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                          $$
                          x^a=e^{aln x}=1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2+cdots
                          $$

                          Hence for large $x>1$,
                          $$
                          0lefrac{ln x}{x^a}lefrac{ln x}{1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2}=
                          frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}.
                          $$

                          But
                          $$
                          frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}to 0
                          $$

                          as $xto infty$.






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                            $$
                            x^a=e^{aln x}=1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2+cdots
                            $$

                            Hence for large $x>1$,
                            $$
                            0lefrac{ln x}{x^a}lefrac{ln x}{1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2}=
                            frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}.
                            $$

                            But
                            $$
                            frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}to 0
                            $$

                            as $xto infty$.






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                            $$
                            x^a=e^{aln x}=1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2+cdots
                            $$

                            Hence for large $x>1$,
                            $$
                            0lefrac{ln x}{x^a}lefrac{ln x}{1+aln x+frac12 (aln x)^2}=
                            frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}.
                            $$

                            But
                            $$
                            frac{1}{frac{1}{ln x}+a+frac12 a^2ln x}to 0
                            $$

                            as $xto infty$.







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