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In an acute triangle ABC, the base BC has
the equation $4x – 3y + 3 = 0$. If the coordinates of
the orthocentre (H) and circumcentre (P) of the
triangle are $(1, 2)$ and $(2, 3)$ respectively, then the
radius of the circle circumscribing the triangle is
$dfrac{sqrt m}{n}$ , where m and n are relatively prime. Find the
value of (m+ n).



(You may use the fact that the distance between
orthocentre and circumcentre of the triangle is
given by $R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}$)



Attempt:
I found $R$ by taking reflection ($A$) of $H$ about $BC$ and then finding the distance between $P$ and $A$. But, I cannot figure out how to solve the problem by using the hint given.










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    What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
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    @Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
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    A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
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    What's your result for $R$?
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In an acute triangle ABC, the base BC has
the equation $4x – 3y + 3 = 0$. If the coordinates of
the orthocentre (H) and circumcentre (P) of the
triangle are $(1, 2)$ and $(2, 3)$ respectively, then the
radius of the circle circumscribing the triangle is
$dfrac{sqrt m}{n}$ , where m and n are relatively prime. Find the
value of (m+ n).



(You may use the fact that the distance between
orthocentre and circumcentre of the triangle is
given by $R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}$)



Attempt:
I found $R$ by taking reflection ($A$) of $H$ about $BC$ and then finding the distance between $P$ and $A$. But, I cannot figure out how to solve the problem by using the hint given.










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    What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
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    @Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
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    – Ice Inkberry
    Jan 20 at 14:48






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    A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
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    – rogerl
    Jan 20 at 15:13










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    What's your result for $R$?
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    Jan 20 at 16:59






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    @aretino But, I want to know another method. I try to find various methods to same problem.
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In an acute triangle ABC, the base BC has
the equation $4x – 3y + 3 = 0$. If the coordinates of
the orthocentre (H) and circumcentre (P) of the
triangle are $(1, 2)$ and $(2, 3)$ respectively, then the
radius of the circle circumscribing the triangle is
$dfrac{sqrt m}{n}$ , where m and n are relatively prime. Find the
value of (m+ n).



(You may use the fact that the distance between
orthocentre and circumcentre of the triangle is
given by $R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}$)



Attempt:
I found $R$ by taking reflection ($A$) of $H$ about $BC$ and then finding the distance between $P$ and $A$. But, I cannot figure out how to solve the problem by using the hint given.










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In an acute triangle ABC, the base BC has
the equation $4x – 3y + 3 = 0$. If the coordinates of
the orthocentre (H) and circumcentre (P) of the
triangle are $(1, 2)$ and $(2, 3)$ respectively, then the
radius of the circle circumscribing the triangle is
$dfrac{sqrt m}{n}$ , where m and n are relatively prime. Find the
value of (m+ n).



(You may use the fact that the distance between
orthocentre and circumcentre of the triangle is
given by $R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}$)



Attempt:
I found $R$ by taking reflection ($A$) of $H$ about $BC$ and then finding the distance between $P$ and $A$. But, I cannot figure out how to solve the problem by using the hint given.







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  • $begingroup$
    What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
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    – Paras Khosla
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    @Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
    $endgroup$
    – Ice Inkberry
    Jan 20 at 14:48






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    $begingroup$
    A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
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    – rogerl
    Jan 20 at 15:13










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    What's your result for $R$?
    $endgroup$
    – Aretino
    Jan 20 at 16:59






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    @aretino But, I want to know another method. I try to find various methods to same problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Ice Inkberry
    Jan 20 at 17:02


















  • $begingroup$
    What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
    $endgroup$
    – Paras Khosla
    Jan 20 at 14:45










  • $begingroup$
    @Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
    $endgroup$
    – Ice Inkberry
    Jan 20 at 14:48






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
    $endgroup$
    – rogerl
    Jan 20 at 15:13










  • $begingroup$
    What's your result for $R$?
    $endgroup$
    – Aretino
    Jan 20 at 16:59






  • 1




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    @aretino But, I want to know another method. I try to find various methods to same problem.
    $endgroup$
    – Ice Inkberry
    Jan 20 at 17:02
















$begingroup$
What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
$endgroup$
– Paras Khosla
Jan 20 at 14:45




$begingroup$
What textbook are you following for analytical geometry?
$endgroup$
– Paras Khosla
Jan 20 at 14:45












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@Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
$endgroup$
– Ice Inkberry
Jan 20 at 14:48




$begingroup$
@Paras I do not follow any particular textbook for that. I am a JEE aspirant and this question was in one of my exercises for the same.
$endgroup$
– Ice Inkberry
Jan 20 at 14:48




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A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
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– rogerl
Jan 20 at 15:13




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A great example of why giving hints in problems is often a bad idea.
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What's your result for $R$?
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What's your result for $R$?
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@aretino But, I want to know another method. I try to find various methods to same problem.
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– Ice Inkberry
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@aretino But, I want to know another method. I try to find various methods to same problem.
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Solution using the given hint:

Distance of orthocentre (H) from side BC is $2Rcos Bcos C$ and that of circumcentre (P) from BC is $Rcos A$ where R is the circumradius. Finding these distances using coordinate geometry and equating we get:
$$2Rcos Bcos C=frac{1}5$$
$$Rcos A=frac{2}5$$
From this we get:
$$cos Acos Bcos C=frac{1}{25R^2}$$

Distance between P and H is $sqrt{2}$. Thus,
$$R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}=sqrt{2}$$
$$R=frac{sqrt{58}}{5}$$
$$m=58,n=5$$






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    As you are looking for a different way to solve your question, here is one.



    Take a look at the following figure : it provides positions for $A,B,C$ that fullfill all the constraints :



    enter image description here



    Fig. 1.



    How is it possible to obtain these points (out of which the strange result you are asked is easy to compute) ?



    First of all, let us transform the implicit equation of straight line $BC$ into a parametric form ; as it passes through point $binom{0}{1}$ with directing vector $binom{3}{4}$, we can write :



    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{0}{1}+tbinom{3}{4} iff begin{cases}x&=&3t\y&=&1+4tend{cases}tag{1}$$



    In particular, the coordinates of $B$ and $C$ are resp.



    $$begin{cases}x_B&=&3b\y_B&=&1+4bend{cases} text{and} begin{cases}x_C&=&3c\y_C&=&1+4cend{cases}tag{2}$$



    for specific values $b, c$ of parameter $t$.



    Besides, $A$ belongs to the straight line passing by $H$ and orthogonal to $BC$ ; the parametric form of this straight line is easily found to be :



    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{1}{2}+tbinom{4}{-3} iff begin{cases}x_A&=&1+4a\y_A&=&2-3aend{cases}tag{3}$$



    Now, let us locate the constraints : as we need three precise values for $a,b,c$, we need three constraints. Here they are :



    $$PA^2=PB^2=PC^2 text{and} overrightarrow{AB} perp overrightarrow{CH},tag{4}$$



    giving rise, using (2) and (3), to the following system :



    $$(1+4a-2)^2+(2-3a-3)^2=(3b-2)^2+(1+4b-3)^2=(3c-2)^2+(1+4c-3)^2$$
    $$(3b-1)(1+4a-3c)+(1+4b-2)((2-3a)-(1+4c))=0tag{5}$$



    that is easily solved by a CAS giving the following values of parameters $a,b,c$ (please note that $b$ and $c$ can be exchanged) :



    $$a=frac{4}{25}, b=frac{14+3sqrt{6}}{25}, c=frac{14-3sqrt{6}}{25}tag{6}$$



    Here is the Matlab program that has given these values and Fig. 1 :



    % First part : solving constraints in order to obtain parameters values
    syms a b c : % symbolic variables
    % 3 equations (5) :
    eq1=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*b-2)^2+(1+4*b-3)^2;
    eq2=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*c-2)^2+(1+4*c-3)^2;
    eq3=(3*b-1)*(1+4*a-3*c)+(1+4*b-2)*((2-3*a)-(1+4*c))==0;
    [A,B,C]=solve([eq1,eq2,eq3],a,b,c)
    %
    % second part : plotting the only significant result :
    clear all;close all;hold on;axis equal;grid on;
    xH=1;yH=2;plot(xH,yH,'*r');text(xH+0.1,yH,'H');
    xP=2;yP=3;plot(xP,yP,'*r');text(xP-0.2,yP,'P');
    a=4/25;b=(14+3*sqrt(6))/25;c=(14-3*sqrt(6))/25;%param. values obtained in the first part;
    xA=@(a)(1+4*a);yA=@(a)(2-3*a);plot(xA(a),yA(a),'ob');text(xA(a),yA(a)-0.2,'A')
    xB=@(b)(3*b);yB=@(b)(1+4*b);plot(xB(b),yB(b),'ob');text(xB(b),yB(b)+0.1,'B')
    xC=@(c)(3*c);yC=@(c)(1+4*c);plot(xC(c),yC(c),'ob');text(xC(c)-0.2,yC(c),'C')
    plot([xC(c),xA(a),xB(b),xC(c)],[yC(c),yA(a),yB(b),yC(c)]);


    Remarks :



    1) Relationships (4) take into account the characteristic properties




    • of the circumcenter (the unique point at equal distances from each vertex),


    • of the orthocenter (the intersection of 2 altitudes ; don't forget that we have previously considered $A$ to belong to the altitude opposite to $BC$).



    2) There are other solutions for $a,b,c$ than (6) ; but none is satisfying ; some are with complex numbers (!), some others generating non acute triangles, and in particular a flat triangle.



    3) $b$ and $c$ are roots of the same quadratic equation. It is very understandable because $B$ and $C$ play interchangeable roles.






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      This is another way (still w/o using the hint).



      enter image description here



      begin{align}
      text{Orthocenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
      H&=(1,2)
      ,\
      text{Circumcenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
      O&=(2,3)
      ,\
      text{Centroid of $triangle ABC$: }quad
      M&=tfrac13(H+2O)=(tfrac53,tfrac83)
      .
      end{align}



      The line through $BC$:
      begin{align}
      y&=tfrac43x+1
      ,
      end{align}



      the line $ODperp BC$:
      begin{align}
      y&=-tfrac34 x+tfrac92
      .
      end{align}



      The point $D$ is the middle
      of the side $BC$:



      begin{align}
      D&=(tfrac{42}{25},tfrac{81}{25})
      .
      end{align}



      Now the vertex $A$ of the $triangle ABC$
      can be found as
      begin{align}
      A&=M+2(M-D)
      =(tfrac{41}{25},tfrac{38}{25})
      ,
      end{align}



      and the radius of the circumscribed circle is



      begin{align}
      R&=|O-A|=
      sqrt{
      left(frac{50-41}{25}right)^2
      +left(frac{75-38}{25}right)^2
      }
      =
      frac{sqrt{58}}5
      .
      end{align}



      Given $R=frac{sqrt{m}}n$, $m$ and $n$ can be found as



      begin{align}
      m&=58
      ,\
      n&=5
      .
      end{align}






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        Solution using the given hint:

        Distance of orthocentre (H) from side BC is $2Rcos Bcos C$ and that of circumcentre (P) from BC is $Rcos A$ where R is the circumradius. Finding these distances using coordinate geometry and equating we get:
        $$2Rcos Bcos C=frac{1}5$$
        $$Rcos A=frac{2}5$$
        From this we get:
        $$cos Acos Bcos C=frac{1}{25R^2}$$

        Distance between P and H is $sqrt{2}$. Thus,
        $$R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}=sqrt{2}$$
        $$R=frac{sqrt{58}}{5}$$
        $$m=58,n=5$$






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          Solution using the given hint:

          Distance of orthocentre (H) from side BC is $2Rcos Bcos C$ and that of circumcentre (P) from BC is $Rcos A$ where R is the circumradius. Finding these distances using coordinate geometry and equating we get:
          $$2Rcos Bcos C=frac{1}5$$
          $$Rcos A=frac{2}5$$
          From this we get:
          $$cos Acos Bcos C=frac{1}{25R^2}$$

          Distance between P and H is $sqrt{2}$. Thus,
          $$R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}=sqrt{2}$$
          $$R=frac{sqrt{58}}{5}$$
          $$m=58,n=5$$






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            Solution using the given hint:

            Distance of orthocentre (H) from side BC is $2Rcos Bcos C$ and that of circumcentre (P) from BC is $Rcos A$ where R is the circumradius. Finding these distances using coordinate geometry and equating we get:
            $$2Rcos Bcos C=frac{1}5$$
            $$Rcos A=frac{2}5$$
            From this we get:
            $$cos Acos Bcos C=frac{1}{25R^2}$$

            Distance between P and H is $sqrt{2}$. Thus,
            $$R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}=sqrt{2}$$
            $$R=frac{sqrt{58}}{5}$$
            $$m=58,n=5$$






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            Solution using the given hint:

            Distance of orthocentre (H) from side BC is $2Rcos Bcos C$ and that of circumcentre (P) from BC is $Rcos A$ where R is the circumradius. Finding these distances using coordinate geometry and equating we get:
            $$2Rcos Bcos C=frac{1}5$$
            $$Rcos A=frac{2}5$$
            From this we get:
            $$cos Acos Bcos C=frac{1}{25R^2}$$

            Distance between P and H is $sqrt{2}$. Thus,
            $$R sqrt{1 – 8cos Acos Bcos C}=sqrt{2}$$
            $$R=frac{sqrt{58}}{5}$$
            $$m=58,n=5$$







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                As you are looking for a different way to solve your question, here is one.



                Take a look at the following figure : it provides positions for $A,B,C$ that fullfill all the constraints :



                enter image description here



                Fig. 1.



                How is it possible to obtain these points (out of which the strange result you are asked is easy to compute) ?



                First of all, let us transform the implicit equation of straight line $BC$ into a parametric form ; as it passes through point $binom{0}{1}$ with directing vector $binom{3}{4}$, we can write :



                $$binom{x}{y}=binom{0}{1}+tbinom{3}{4} iff begin{cases}x&=&3t\y&=&1+4tend{cases}tag{1}$$



                In particular, the coordinates of $B$ and $C$ are resp.



                $$begin{cases}x_B&=&3b\y_B&=&1+4bend{cases} text{and} begin{cases}x_C&=&3c\y_C&=&1+4cend{cases}tag{2}$$



                for specific values $b, c$ of parameter $t$.



                Besides, $A$ belongs to the straight line passing by $H$ and orthogonal to $BC$ ; the parametric form of this straight line is easily found to be :



                $$binom{x}{y}=binom{1}{2}+tbinom{4}{-3} iff begin{cases}x_A&=&1+4a\y_A&=&2-3aend{cases}tag{3}$$



                Now, let us locate the constraints : as we need three precise values for $a,b,c$, we need three constraints. Here they are :



                $$PA^2=PB^2=PC^2 text{and} overrightarrow{AB} perp overrightarrow{CH},tag{4}$$



                giving rise, using (2) and (3), to the following system :



                $$(1+4a-2)^2+(2-3a-3)^2=(3b-2)^2+(1+4b-3)^2=(3c-2)^2+(1+4c-3)^2$$
                $$(3b-1)(1+4a-3c)+(1+4b-2)((2-3a)-(1+4c))=0tag{5}$$



                that is easily solved by a CAS giving the following values of parameters $a,b,c$ (please note that $b$ and $c$ can be exchanged) :



                $$a=frac{4}{25}, b=frac{14+3sqrt{6}}{25}, c=frac{14-3sqrt{6}}{25}tag{6}$$



                Here is the Matlab program that has given these values and Fig. 1 :



                % First part : solving constraints in order to obtain parameters values
                syms a b c : % symbolic variables
                % 3 equations (5) :
                eq1=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*b-2)^2+(1+4*b-3)^2;
                eq2=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*c-2)^2+(1+4*c-3)^2;
                eq3=(3*b-1)*(1+4*a-3*c)+(1+4*b-2)*((2-3*a)-(1+4*c))==0;
                [A,B,C]=solve([eq1,eq2,eq3],a,b,c)
                %
                % second part : plotting the only significant result :
                clear all;close all;hold on;axis equal;grid on;
                xH=1;yH=2;plot(xH,yH,'*r');text(xH+0.1,yH,'H');
                xP=2;yP=3;plot(xP,yP,'*r');text(xP-0.2,yP,'P');
                a=4/25;b=(14+3*sqrt(6))/25;c=(14-3*sqrt(6))/25;%param. values obtained in the first part;
                xA=@(a)(1+4*a);yA=@(a)(2-3*a);plot(xA(a),yA(a),'ob');text(xA(a),yA(a)-0.2,'A')
                xB=@(b)(3*b);yB=@(b)(1+4*b);plot(xB(b),yB(b),'ob');text(xB(b),yB(b)+0.1,'B')
                xC=@(c)(3*c);yC=@(c)(1+4*c);plot(xC(c),yC(c),'ob');text(xC(c)-0.2,yC(c),'C')
                plot([xC(c),xA(a),xB(b),xC(c)],[yC(c),yA(a),yB(b),yC(c)]);


                Remarks :



                1) Relationships (4) take into account the characteristic properties




                • of the circumcenter (the unique point at equal distances from each vertex),


                • of the orthocenter (the intersection of 2 altitudes ; don't forget that we have previously considered $A$ to belong to the altitude opposite to $BC$).



                2) There are other solutions for $a,b,c$ than (6) ; but none is satisfying ; some are with complex numbers (!), some others generating non acute triangles, and in particular a flat triangle.



                3) $b$ and $c$ are roots of the same quadratic equation. It is very understandable because $B$ and $C$ play interchangeable roles.






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                  As you are looking for a different way to solve your question, here is one.



                  Take a look at the following figure : it provides positions for $A,B,C$ that fullfill all the constraints :



                  enter image description here



                  Fig. 1.



                  How is it possible to obtain these points (out of which the strange result you are asked is easy to compute) ?



                  First of all, let us transform the implicit equation of straight line $BC$ into a parametric form ; as it passes through point $binom{0}{1}$ with directing vector $binom{3}{4}$, we can write :



                  $$binom{x}{y}=binom{0}{1}+tbinom{3}{4} iff begin{cases}x&=&3t\y&=&1+4tend{cases}tag{1}$$



                  In particular, the coordinates of $B$ and $C$ are resp.



                  $$begin{cases}x_B&=&3b\y_B&=&1+4bend{cases} text{and} begin{cases}x_C&=&3c\y_C&=&1+4cend{cases}tag{2}$$



                  for specific values $b, c$ of parameter $t$.



                  Besides, $A$ belongs to the straight line passing by $H$ and orthogonal to $BC$ ; the parametric form of this straight line is easily found to be :



                  $$binom{x}{y}=binom{1}{2}+tbinom{4}{-3} iff begin{cases}x_A&=&1+4a\y_A&=&2-3aend{cases}tag{3}$$



                  Now, let us locate the constraints : as we need three precise values for $a,b,c$, we need three constraints. Here they are :



                  $$PA^2=PB^2=PC^2 text{and} overrightarrow{AB} perp overrightarrow{CH},tag{4}$$



                  giving rise, using (2) and (3), to the following system :



                  $$(1+4a-2)^2+(2-3a-3)^2=(3b-2)^2+(1+4b-3)^2=(3c-2)^2+(1+4c-3)^2$$
                  $$(3b-1)(1+4a-3c)+(1+4b-2)((2-3a)-(1+4c))=0tag{5}$$



                  that is easily solved by a CAS giving the following values of parameters $a,b,c$ (please note that $b$ and $c$ can be exchanged) :



                  $$a=frac{4}{25}, b=frac{14+3sqrt{6}}{25}, c=frac{14-3sqrt{6}}{25}tag{6}$$



                  Here is the Matlab program that has given these values and Fig. 1 :



                  % First part : solving constraints in order to obtain parameters values
                  syms a b c : % symbolic variables
                  % 3 equations (5) :
                  eq1=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*b-2)^2+(1+4*b-3)^2;
                  eq2=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*c-2)^2+(1+4*c-3)^2;
                  eq3=(3*b-1)*(1+4*a-3*c)+(1+4*b-2)*((2-3*a)-(1+4*c))==0;
                  [A,B,C]=solve([eq1,eq2,eq3],a,b,c)
                  %
                  % second part : plotting the only significant result :
                  clear all;close all;hold on;axis equal;grid on;
                  xH=1;yH=2;plot(xH,yH,'*r');text(xH+0.1,yH,'H');
                  xP=2;yP=3;plot(xP,yP,'*r');text(xP-0.2,yP,'P');
                  a=4/25;b=(14+3*sqrt(6))/25;c=(14-3*sqrt(6))/25;%param. values obtained in the first part;
                  xA=@(a)(1+4*a);yA=@(a)(2-3*a);plot(xA(a),yA(a),'ob');text(xA(a),yA(a)-0.2,'A')
                  xB=@(b)(3*b);yB=@(b)(1+4*b);plot(xB(b),yB(b),'ob');text(xB(b),yB(b)+0.1,'B')
                  xC=@(c)(3*c);yC=@(c)(1+4*c);plot(xC(c),yC(c),'ob');text(xC(c)-0.2,yC(c),'C')
                  plot([xC(c),xA(a),xB(b),xC(c)],[yC(c),yA(a),yB(b),yC(c)]);


                  Remarks :



                  1) Relationships (4) take into account the characteristic properties




                  • of the circumcenter (the unique point at equal distances from each vertex),


                  • of the orthocenter (the intersection of 2 altitudes ; don't forget that we have previously considered $A$ to belong to the altitude opposite to $BC$).



                  2) There are other solutions for $a,b,c$ than (6) ; but none is satisfying ; some are with complex numbers (!), some others generating non acute triangles, and in particular a flat triangle.



                  3) $b$ and $c$ are roots of the same quadratic equation. It is very understandable because $B$ and $C$ play interchangeable roles.






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                    4





                    $begingroup$

                    As you are looking for a different way to solve your question, here is one.



                    Take a look at the following figure : it provides positions for $A,B,C$ that fullfill all the constraints :



                    enter image description here



                    Fig. 1.



                    How is it possible to obtain these points (out of which the strange result you are asked is easy to compute) ?



                    First of all, let us transform the implicit equation of straight line $BC$ into a parametric form ; as it passes through point $binom{0}{1}$ with directing vector $binom{3}{4}$, we can write :



                    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{0}{1}+tbinom{3}{4} iff begin{cases}x&=&3t\y&=&1+4tend{cases}tag{1}$$



                    In particular, the coordinates of $B$ and $C$ are resp.



                    $$begin{cases}x_B&=&3b\y_B&=&1+4bend{cases} text{and} begin{cases}x_C&=&3c\y_C&=&1+4cend{cases}tag{2}$$



                    for specific values $b, c$ of parameter $t$.



                    Besides, $A$ belongs to the straight line passing by $H$ and orthogonal to $BC$ ; the parametric form of this straight line is easily found to be :



                    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{1}{2}+tbinom{4}{-3} iff begin{cases}x_A&=&1+4a\y_A&=&2-3aend{cases}tag{3}$$



                    Now, let us locate the constraints : as we need three precise values for $a,b,c$, we need three constraints. Here they are :



                    $$PA^2=PB^2=PC^2 text{and} overrightarrow{AB} perp overrightarrow{CH},tag{4}$$



                    giving rise, using (2) and (3), to the following system :



                    $$(1+4a-2)^2+(2-3a-3)^2=(3b-2)^2+(1+4b-3)^2=(3c-2)^2+(1+4c-3)^2$$
                    $$(3b-1)(1+4a-3c)+(1+4b-2)((2-3a)-(1+4c))=0tag{5}$$



                    that is easily solved by a CAS giving the following values of parameters $a,b,c$ (please note that $b$ and $c$ can be exchanged) :



                    $$a=frac{4}{25}, b=frac{14+3sqrt{6}}{25}, c=frac{14-3sqrt{6}}{25}tag{6}$$



                    Here is the Matlab program that has given these values and Fig. 1 :



                    % First part : solving constraints in order to obtain parameters values
                    syms a b c : % symbolic variables
                    % 3 equations (5) :
                    eq1=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*b-2)^2+(1+4*b-3)^2;
                    eq2=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*c-2)^2+(1+4*c-3)^2;
                    eq3=(3*b-1)*(1+4*a-3*c)+(1+4*b-2)*((2-3*a)-(1+4*c))==0;
                    [A,B,C]=solve([eq1,eq2,eq3],a,b,c)
                    %
                    % second part : plotting the only significant result :
                    clear all;close all;hold on;axis equal;grid on;
                    xH=1;yH=2;plot(xH,yH,'*r');text(xH+0.1,yH,'H');
                    xP=2;yP=3;plot(xP,yP,'*r');text(xP-0.2,yP,'P');
                    a=4/25;b=(14+3*sqrt(6))/25;c=(14-3*sqrt(6))/25;%param. values obtained in the first part;
                    xA=@(a)(1+4*a);yA=@(a)(2-3*a);plot(xA(a),yA(a),'ob');text(xA(a),yA(a)-0.2,'A')
                    xB=@(b)(3*b);yB=@(b)(1+4*b);plot(xB(b),yB(b),'ob');text(xB(b),yB(b)+0.1,'B')
                    xC=@(c)(3*c);yC=@(c)(1+4*c);plot(xC(c),yC(c),'ob');text(xC(c)-0.2,yC(c),'C')
                    plot([xC(c),xA(a),xB(b),xC(c)],[yC(c),yA(a),yB(b),yC(c)]);


                    Remarks :



                    1) Relationships (4) take into account the characteristic properties




                    • of the circumcenter (the unique point at equal distances from each vertex),


                    • of the orthocenter (the intersection of 2 altitudes ; don't forget that we have previously considered $A$ to belong to the altitude opposite to $BC$).



                    2) There are other solutions for $a,b,c$ than (6) ; but none is satisfying ; some are with complex numbers (!), some others generating non acute triangles, and in particular a flat triangle.



                    3) $b$ and $c$ are roots of the same quadratic equation. It is very understandable because $B$ and $C$ play interchangeable roles.






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                    $endgroup$



                    As you are looking for a different way to solve your question, here is one.



                    Take a look at the following figure : it provides positions for $A,B,C$ that fullfill all the constraints :



                    enter image description here



                    Fig. 1.



                    How is it possible to obtain these points (out of which the strange result you are asked is easy to compute) ?



                    First of all, let us transform the implicit equation of straight line $BC$ into a parametric form ; as it passes through point $binom{0}{1}$ with directing vector $binom{3}{4}$, we can write :



                    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{0}{1}+tbinom{3}{4} iff begin{cases}x&=&3t\y&=&1+4tend{cases}tag{1}$$



                    In particular, the coordinates of $B$ and $C$ are resp.



                    $$begin{cases}x_B&=&3b\y_B&=&1+4bend{cases} text{and} begin{cases}x_C&=&3c\y_C&=&1+4cend{cases}tag{2}$$



                    for specific values $b, c$ of parameter $t$.



                    Besides, $A$ belongs to the straight line passing by $H$ and orthogonal to $BC$ ; the parametric form of this straight line is easily found to be :



                    $$binom{x}{y}=binom{1}{2}+tbinom{4}{-3} iff begin{cases}x_A&=&1+4a\y_A&=&2-3aend{cases}tag{3}$$



                    Now, let us locate the constraints : as we need three precise values for $a,b,c$, we need three constraints. Here they are :



                    $$PA^2=PB^2=PC^2 text{and} overrightarrow{AB} perp overrightarrow{CH},tag{4}$$



                    giving rise, using (2) and (3), to the following system :



                    $$(1+4a-2)^2+(2-3a-3)^2=(3b-2)^2+(1+4b-3)^2=(3c-2)^2+(1+4c-3)^2$$
                    $$(3b-1)(1+4a-3c)+(1+4b-2)((2-3a)-(1+4c))=0tag{5}$$



                    that is easily solved by a CAS giving the following values of parameters $a,b,c$ (please note that $b$ and $c$ can be exchanged) :



                    $$a=frac{4}{25}, b=frac{14+3sqrt{6}}{25}, c=frac{14-3sqrt{6}}{25}tag{6}$$



                    Here is the Matlab program that has given these values and Fig. 1 :



                    % First part : solving constraints in order to obtain parameters values
                    syms a b c : % symbolic variables
                    % 3 equations (5) :
                    eq1=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*b-2)^2+(1+4*b-3)^2;
                    eq2=(1+4*a-2)^2+(2-3*a-3)^2==(3*c-2)^2+(1+4*c-3)^2;
                    eq3=(3*b-1)*(1+4*a-3*c)+(1+4*b-2)*((2-3*a)-(1+4*c))==0;
                    [A,B,C]=solve([eq1,eq2,eq3],a,b,c)
                    %
                    % second part : plotting the only significant result :
                    clear all;close all;hold on;axis equal;grid on;
                    xH=1;yH=2;plot(xH,yH,'*r');text(xH+0.1,yH,'H');
                    xP=2;yP=3;plot(xP,yP,'*r');text(xP-0.2,yP,'P');
                    a=4/25;b=(14+3*sqrt(6))/25;c=(14-3*sqrt(6))/25;%param. values obtained in the first part;
                    xA=@(a)(1+4*a);yA=@(a)(2-3*a);plot(xA(a),yA(a),'ob');text(xA(a),yA(a)-0.2,'A')
                    xB=@(b)(3*b);yB=@(b)(1+4*b);plot(xB(b),yB(b),'ob');text(xB(b),yB(b)+0.1,'B')
                    xC=@(c)(3*c);yC=@(c)(1+4*c);plot(xC(c),yC(c),'ob');text(xC(c)-0.2,yC(c),'C')
                    plot([xC(c),xA(a),xB(b),xC(c)],[yC(c),yA(a),yB(b),yC(c)]);


                    Remarks :



                    1) Relationships (4) take into account the characteristic properties




                    • of the circumcenter (the unique point at equal distances from each vertex),


                    • of the orthocenter (the intersection of 2 altitudes ; don't forget that we have previously considered $A$ to belong to the altitude opposite to $BC$).



                    2) There are other solutions for $a,b,c$ than (6) ; but none is satisfying ; some are with complex numbers (!), some others generating non acute triangles, and in particular a flat triangle.



                    3) $b$ and $c$ are roots of the same quadratic equation. It is very understandable because $B$ and $C$ play interchangeable roles.







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                        $begingroup$

                        This is another way (still w/o using the hint).



                        enter image description here



                        begin{align}
                        text{Orthocenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                        H&=(1,2)
                        ,\
                        text{Circumcenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                        O&=(2,3)
                        ,\
                        text{Centroid of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                        M&=tfrac13(H+2O)=(tfrac53,tfrac83)
                        .
                        end{align}



                        The line through $BC$:
                        begin{align}
                        y&=tfrac43x+1
                        ,
                        end{align}



                        the line $ODperp BC$:
                        begin{align}
                        y&=-tfrac34 x+tfrac92
                        .
                        end{align}



                        The point $D$ is the middle
                        of the side $BC$:



                        begin{align}
                        D&=(tfrac{42}{25},tfrac{81}{25})
                        .
                        end{align}



                        Now the vertex $A$ of the $triangle ABC$
                        can be found as
                        begin{align}
                        A&=M+2(M-D)
                        =(tfrac{41}{25},tfrac{38}{25})
                        ,
                        end{align}



                        and the radius of the circumscribed circle is



                        begin{align}
                        R&=|O-A|=
                        sqrt{
                        left(frac{50-41}{25}right)^2
                        +left(frac{75-38}{25}right)^2
                        }
                        =
                        frac{sqrt{58}}5
                        .
                        end{align}



                        Given $R=frac{sqrt{m}}n$, $m$ and $n$ can be found as



                        begin{align}
                        m&=58
                        ,\
                        n&=5
                        .
                        end{align}






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                          $begingroup$

                          This is another way (still w/o using the hint).



                          enter image description here



                          begin{align}
                          text{Orthocenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                          H&=(1,2)
                          ,\
                          text{Circumcenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                          O&=(2,3)
                          ,\
                          text{Centroid of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                          M&=tfrac13(H+2O)=(tfrac53,tfrac83)
                          .
                          end{align}



                          The line through $BC$:
                          begin{align}
                          y&=tfrac43x+1
                          ,
                          end{align}



                          the line $ODperp BC$:
                          begin{align}
                          y&=-tfrac34 x+tfrac92
                          .
                          end{align}



                          The point $D$ is the middle
                          of the side $BC$:



                          begin{align}
                          D&=(tfrac{42}{25},tfrac{81}{25})
                          .
                          end{align}



                          Now the vertex $A$ of the $triangle ABC$
                          can be found as
                          begin{align}
                          A&=M+2(M-D)
                          =(tfrac{41}{25},tfrac{38}{25})
                          ,
                          end{align}



                          and the radius of the circumscribed circle is



                          begin{align}
                          R&=|O-A|=
                          sqrt{
                          left(frac{50-41}{25}right)^2
                          +left(frac{75-38}{25}right)^2
                          }
                          =
                          frac{sqrt{58}}5
                          .
                          end{align}



                          Given $R=frac{sqrt{m}}n$, $m$ and $n$ can be found as



                          begin{align}
                          m&=58
                          ,\
                          n&=5
                          .
                          end{align}






                          share|cite|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$
















                            3












                            3








                            3





                            $begingroup$

                            This is another way (still w/o using the hint).



                            enter image description here



                            begin{align}
                            text{Orthocenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            H&=(1,2)
                            ,\
                            text{Circumcenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            O&=(2,3)
                            ,\
                            text{Centroid of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            M&=tfrac13(H+2O)=(tfrac53,tfrac83)
                            .
                            end{align}



                            The line through $BC$:
                            begin{align}
                            y&=tfrac43x+1
                            ,
                            end{align}



                            the line $ODperp BC$:
                            begin{align}
                            y&=-tfrac34 x+tfrac92
                            .
                            end{align}



                            The point $D$ is the middle
                            of the side $BC$:



                            begin{align}
                            D&=(tfrac{42}{25},tfrac{81}{25})
                            .
                            end{align}



                            Now the vertex $A$ of the $triangle ABC$
                            can be found as
                            begin{align}
                            A&=M+2(M-D)
                            =(tfrac{41}{25},tfrac{38}{25})
                            ,
                            end{align}



                            and the radius of the circumscribed circle is



                            begin{align}
                            R&=|O-A|=
                            sqrt{
                            left(frac{50-41}{25}right)^2
                            +left(frac{75-38}{25}right)^2
                            }
                            =
                            frac{sqrt{58}}5
                            .
                            end{align}



                            Given $R=frac{sqrt{m}}n$, $m$ and $n$ can be found as



                            begin{align}
                            m&=58
                            ,\
                            n&=5
                            .
                            end{align}






                            share|cite|improve this answer









                            $endgroup$



                            This is another way (still w/o using the hint).



                            enter image description here



                            begin{align}
                            text{Orthocenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            H&=(1,2)
                            ,\
                            text{Circumcenter of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            O&=(2,3)
                            ,\
                            text{Centroid of $triangle ABC$: }quad
                            M&=tfrac13(H+2O)=(tfrac53,tfrac83)
                            .
                            end{align}



                            The line through $BC$:
                            begin{align}
                            y&=tfrac43x+1
                            ,
                            end{align}



                            the line $ODperp BC$:
                            begin{align}
                            y&=-tfrac34 x+tfrac92
                            .
                            end{align}



                            The point $D$ is the middle
                            of the side $BC$:



                            begin{align}
                            D&=(tfrac{42}{25},tfrac{81}{25})
                            .
                            end{align}



                            Now the vertex $A$ of the $triangle ABC$
                            can be found as
                            begin{align}
                            A&=M+2(M-D)
                            =(tfrac{41}{25},tfrac{38}{25})
                            ,
                            end{align}



                            and the radius of the circumscribed circle is



                            begin{align}
                            R&=|O-A|=
                            sqrt{
                            left(frac{50-41}{25}right)^2
                            +left(frac{75-38}{25}right)^2
                            }
                            =
                            frac{sqrt{58}}5
                            .
                            end{align}



                            Given $R=frac{sqrt{m}}n$, $m$ and $n$ can be found as



                            begin{align}
                            m&=58
                            ,\
                            n&=5
                            .
                            end{align}







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