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Let $p$ be prime, prove that for any integer $r$, there at most $2$ solutions to the equation $x^2-r equiv 0pmod p$.



I don't understand the question as if $p=2$, and $r$ odd, then $x^2$ will need to be odd, and we have an infinite number of solutions.



Maybe this is true for $p>2$, but I don't really know how to prove it.










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    They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
    – lulu
    Jan 6 at 17:06












  • makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
    – Student number x
    Jan 6 at 17:17










  • The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:53










  • ..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:58










  • For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:16
















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Let $p$ be prime, prove that for any integer $r$, there at most $2$ solutions to the equation $x^2-r equiv 0pmod p$.



I don't understand the question as if $p=2$, and $r$ odd, then $x^2$ will need to be odd, and we have an infinite number of solutions.



Maybe this is true for $p>2$, but I don't really know how to prove it.










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    They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
    – lulu
    Jan 6 at 17:06












  • makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
    – Student number x
    Jan 6 at 17:17










  • The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:53










  • ..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:58










  • For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:16














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Let $p$ be prime, prove that for any integer $r$, there at most $2$ solutions to the equation $x^2-r equiv 0pmod p$.



I don't understand the question as if $p=2$, and $r$ odd, then $x^2$ will need to be odd, and we have an infinite number of solutions.



Maybe this is true for $p>2$, but I don't really know how to prove it.










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Let $p$ be prime, prove that for any integer $r$, there at most $2$ solutions to the equation $x^2-r equiv 0pmod p$.



I don't understand the question as if $p=2$, and $r$ odd, then $x^2$ will need to be odd, and we have an infinite number of solutions.



Maybe this is true for $p>2$, but I don't really know how to prove it.







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    They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
    – lulu
    Jan 6 at 17:06












  • makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
    – Student number x
    Jan 6 at 17:17










  • The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:53










  • ..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:58










  • For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:16














  • 4




    They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
    – lulu
    Jan 6 at 17:06












  • makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
    – Student number x
    Jan 6 at 17:17










  • The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:53










  • ..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 17:58










  • For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:16








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They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
– lulu
Jan 6 at 17:06






They mean solutions $pmod p$. Thus, if $p=7$ and $r=2$ the only solutions would be $3,4$. For $p=2, r=1$ the only solution is $x=1$.
– lulu
Jan 6 at 17:06














makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
– Student number x
Jan 6 at 17:17




makes more sense! thank you - do you have any idea how to prove it though?
– Student number x
Jan 6 at 17:17












The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 17:53




The mean solutions modulo $p$. There are only $p$ classes. If $p=2$ then are two possible $x$, $0$ and $1$. Any other odd number is $equiv 2 pmod 2$.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 17:53












..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 17:58




..... if $p = 2$ and $r=7$ then there is one solution mod $2$. $1^2 - 7equiv 0 pmod 2$ but $0^2 - 7 not equiv 0 pmod 2$. Any other odd number,say $253$ so that $253^2 - 7 equiv 0 pmod 2$ is the same solution as $253 equiv 1 pmod 2$. In the $mod 2$ system $253$ and $1$ are the same class $253 equiv 1$. So $1$ is the only solution.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 17:58












For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 18:16




For the record, If $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $(kp+x)equiv r pmod p$ so if there are any integer solutions there are an infinite number of INTEGER solutions, but we are not asking for integers solution but EQUIVALENCE solutions. $kp + x equiv x$ so they are the SAME solution. It's only one, even though ther are an infinite number of integers that are all EQUIVALENT to the one solution.
– fleablood
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If $a$ and $x$ are solutions of $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $x^2 - r equiv x^2 - a^2 = (x-a)(x+a) equiv 0 pmod p$.

Since $p$ is prime, $p | (x-a)(x+a)$ means $p | (x-a)$ or $p | (x+a)$, i.e., $x equiv a$ or $-a pmod p$.

Thus there can be at most two solutions.






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The integers mod p are a field. In general, a polynomial of degree n over a field has at most n roots in the field. Here n=2.






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    Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
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  • But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
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  • I provided another answer, which is less abstract
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$x^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0le x < p$



$y^2 equiv r pmod p$ so that $yne x$ and $0 le y < p$



$x^2 - y^2 equiv 0 pmod p$



$(x+y)(x-y) equiv 0 pmod p$.



Now $x ne y $ so $x-y ne 0$ and $|x-y| < p$ so $pnot mid x-y$ hence $p|(x+y)$ but $0 < x+y < 2p$ so $x + y= p$



Now if we had a third option so that



$z^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0 le z <p$ but $z ne x; z ne y; xne y$ we could use the exact same argument to conclude:



$x+y = x+z = y+z = p$. But that would imply $z = y$ (and $y = x$ and $x = z$).



So $2$ distinct solutions is a possibility (but not a certainty!) but three distinct solutions is not.



(Bear in mind it's possible that there are no solutions.)



(Also not if $x$ is one solution then so is $p-x$ and if $p$ is odd then $x$ and $p-x$ are two distinct solutions. But that does not mean there is a solution at all.)






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  • Yes, I did.......
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If $a$ and $x$ are solutions of $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $x^2 - r equiv x^2 - a^2 = (x-a)(x+a) equiv 0 pmod p$.

Since $p$ is prime, $p | (x-a)(x+a)$ means $p | (x-a)$ or $p | (x+a)$, i.e., $x equiv a$ or $-a pmod p$.

Thus there can be at most two solutions.






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If $a$ and $x$ are solutions of $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $x^2 - r equiv x^2 - a^2 = (x-a)(x+a) equiv 0 pmod p$.

Since $p$ is prime, $p | (x-a)(x+a)$ means $p | (x-a)$ or $p | (x+a)$, i.e., $x equiv a$ or $-a pmod p$.

Thus there can be at most two solutions.






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  • As noted by others, it is possible there are no solutions. For example $x^2 - 2 equiv 0 pmod 3$ has no solutions.
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If $a$ and $x$ are solutions of $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $x^2 - r equiv x^2 - a^2 = (x-a)(x+a) equiv 0 pmod p$.

Since $p$ is prime, $p | (x-a)(x+a)$ means $p | (x-a)$ or $p | (x+a)$, i.e., $x equiv a$ or $-a pmod p$.

Thus there can be at most two solutions.






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If $a$ and $x$ are solutions of $x^2 equiv r pmod p$ then $x^2 - r equiv x^2 - a^2 = (x-a)(x+a) equiv 0 pmod p$.

Since $p$ is prime, $p | (x-a)(x+a)$ means $p | (x-a)$ or $p | (x+a)$, i.e., $x equiv a$ or $-a pmod p$.

Thus there can be at most two solutions.







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  • As noted by others, it is possible there are no solutions. For example $x^2 - 2 equiv 0 pmod 3$ has no solutions.
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  • As noted by others, it is possible there are no solutions. For example $x^2 - 2 equiv 0 pmod 3$ has no solutions.
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As noted by others, it is possible there are no solutions. For example $x^2 - 2 equiv 0 pmod 3$ has no solutions.
– J. W. Tanner
Jan 7 at 18:57






As noted by others, it is possible there are no solutions. For example $x^2 - 2 equiv 0 pmod 3$ has no solutions.
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The integers mod p are a field. In general, a polynomial of degree n over a field has at most n roots in the field. Here n=2.






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    Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:57










  • But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
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    Jan 6 at 18:58










  • I provided another answer, which is less abstract
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The integers mod p are a field. In general, a polynomial of degree n over a field has at most n roots in the field. Here n=2.






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    Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:57










  • But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
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    Jan 6 at 18:58










  • I provided another answer, which is less abstract
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The integers mod p are a field. In general, a polynomial of degree n over a field has at most n roots in the field. Here n=2.






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The integers mod p are a field. In general, a polynomial of degree n over a field has at most n roots in the field. Here n=2.







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    Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:57










  • But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:58










  • I provided another answer, which is less abstract
    – J. W. Tanner
    Jan 6 at 19:18














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    Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:57










  • But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
    – fleablood
    Jan 6 at 18:58










  • I provided another answer, which is less abstract
    – J. W. Tanner
    Jan 6 at 19:18








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Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 18:57




Do you think this question is being at a level where the student can be expected to prove that a polynomial of degree $n$ has at most $n$ solutions? Or to take it as a given?
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 18:57












But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 18:58




But +1 for bringing in ideas about what the question is actually asking and considering consequences.
– fleablood
Jan 6 at 18:58












I provided another answer, which is less abstract
– J. W. Tanner
Jan 6 at 19:18




I provided another answer, which is less abstract
– J. W. Tanner
Jan 6 at 19:18











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$x^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0le x < p$



$y^2 equiv r pmod p$ so that $yne x$ and $0 le y < p$



$x^2 - y^2 equiv 0 pmod p$



$(x+y)(x-y) equiv 0 pmod p$.



Now $x ne y $ so $x-y ne 0$ and $|x-y| < p$ so $pnot mid x-y$ hence $p|(x+y)$ but $0 < x+y < 2p$ so $x + y= p$



Now if we had a third option so that



$z^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0 le z <p$ but $z ne x; z ne y; xne y$ we could use the exact same argument to conclude:



$x+y = x+z = y+z = p$. But that would imply $z = y$ (and $y = x$ and $x = z$).



So $2$ distinct solutions is a possibility (but not a certainty!) but three distinct solutions is not.



(Bear in mind it's possible that there are no solutions.)



(Also not if $x$ is one solution then so is $p-x$ and if $p$ is odd then $x$ and $p-x$ are two distinct solutions. But that does not mean there is a solution at all.)






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  • In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
    – J. W. Tanner
    Jan 7 at 18:47












  • Yes, I did.......
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    Jan 7 at 21:40
















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$x^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0le x < p$



$y^2 equiv r pmod p$ so that $yne x$ and $0 le y < p$



$x^2 - y^2 equiv 0 pmod p$



$(x+y)(x-y) equiv 0 pmod p$.



Now $x ne y $ so $x-y ne 0$ and $|x-y| < p$ so $pnot mid x-y$ hence $p|(x+y)$ but $0 < x+y < 2p$ so $x + y= p$



Now if we had a third option so that



$z^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0 le z <p$ but $z ne x; z ne y; xne y$ we could use the exact same argument to conclude:



$x+y = x+z = y+z = p$. But that would imply $z = y$ (and $y = x$ and $x = z$).



So $2$ distinct solutions is a possibility (but not a certainty!) but three distinct solutions is not.



(Bear in mind it's possible that there are no solutions.)



(Also not if $x$ is one solution then so is $p-x$ and if $p$ is odd then $x$ and $p-x$ are two distinct solutions. But that does not mean there is a solution at all.)






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  • In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
    – J. W. Tanner
    Jan 7 at 18:47












  • Yes, I did.......
    – fleablood
    Jan 7 at 21:40














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$x^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0le x < p$



$y^2 equiv r pmod p$ so that $yne x$ and $0 le y < p$



$x^2 - y^2 equiv 0 pmod p$



$(x+y)(x-y) equiv 0 pmod p$.



Now $x ne y $ so $x-y ne 0$ and $|x-y| < p$ so $pnot mid x-y$ hence $p|(x+y)$ but $0 < x+y < 2p$ so $x + y= p$



Now if we had a third option so that



$z^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0 le z <p$ but $z ne x; z ne y; xne y$ we could use the exact same argument to conclude:



$x+y = x+z = y+z = p$. But that would imply $z = y$ (and $y = x$ and $x = z$).



So $2$ distinct solutions is a possibility (but not a certainty!) but three distinct solutions is not.



(Bear in mind it's possible that there are no solutions.)



(Also not if $x$ is one solution then so is $p-x$ and if $p$ is odd then $x$ and $p-x$ are two distinct solutions. But that does not mean there is a solution at all.)






share|cite|improve this answer














$x^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0le x < p$



$y^2 equiv r pmod p$ so that $yne x$ and $0 le y < p$



$x^2 - y^2 equiv 0 pmod p$



$(x+y)(x-y) equiv 0 pmod p$.



Now $x ne y $ so $x-y ne 0$ and $|x-y| < p$ so $pnot mid x-y$ hence $p|(x+y)$ but $0 < x+y < 2p$ so $x + y= p$



Now if we had a third option so that



$z^2 equiv r pmod p$ and $0 le z <p$ but $z ne x; z ne y; xne y$ we could use the exact same argument to conclude:



$x+y = x+z = y+z = p$. But that would imply $z = y$ (and $y = x$ and $x = z$).



So $2$ distinct solutions is a possibility (but not a certainty!) but three distinct solutions is not.



(Bear in mind it's possible that there are no solutions.)



(Also not if $x$ is one solution then so is $p-x$ and if $p$ is odd then $x$ and $p-x$ are two distinct solutions. But that does not mean there is a solution at all.)







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  • In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
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  • Yes, I did.......
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  • In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
    – J. W. Tanner
    Jan 7 at 18:47












  • Yes, I did.......
    – fleablood
    Jan 7 at 21:40
















In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
– J. W. Tanner
Jan 7 at 18:47






In the second line, did you mean $y ne x$ and $0 le$ y $lt p$?
– J. W. Tanner
Jan 7 at 18:47














Yes, I did.......
– fleablood
Jan 7 at 21:40




Yes, I did.......
– fleablood
Jan 7 at 21:40


















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