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On Wikipedia it is mentioned that "... in order to prove that every accumulation point $x$ of a set $Ssubseteq mathbf R$ is the limit of some sequence of elements of $Ssetminus {x}$, one uses (a weak form of) the axiom of countable choice. When formulated for accumulation points of arbitrary metric spaces, the statement becomes equivalent to $AC_omega$. ..."



I have Herrlich's paper "Choice principles in elementary topology and analysis" where in theorem 2.4. it is stated that these are indeed equivalent. Then I looked up the reference he quotes, [4], which are Bentley H.L., Herrlich H., Countable choice and pseudometric spaces which does not contain the proof and [14] Herrlich H., Steprans J., Maximal filters, continuity and choice principles. does also not contain the proof, hence my question:



Where can I see a proof of




"if $S$ is a set in a metric space $X$ with accumulation point $s$
then there exists a sequence $s_n$ in $S$ converging to $s$"
$implies$ $AC_omega$




? (the other implication is clear to me). Thanks.










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    No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
    May 3 '13 at 11:27


















10












$begingroup$


On Wikipedia it is mentioned that "... in order to prove that every accumulation point $x$ of a set $Ssubseteq mathbf R$ is the limit of some sequence of elements of $Ssetminus {x}$, one uses (a weak form of) the axiom of countable choice. When formulated for accumulation points of arbitrary metric spaces, the statement becomes equivalent to $AC_omega$. ..."



I have Herrlich's paper "Choice principles in elementary topology and analysis" where in theorem 2.4. it is stated that these are indeed equivalent. Then I looked up the reference he quotes, [4], which are Bentley H.L., Herrlich H., Countable choice and pseudometric spaces which does not contain the proof and [14] Herrlich H., Steprans J., Maximal filters, continuity and choice principles. does also not contain the proof, hence my question:



Where can I see a proof of




"if $S$ is a set in a metric space $X$ with accumulation point $s$
then there exists a sequence $s_n$ in $S$ converging to $s$"
$implies$ $AC_omega$




? (the other implication is clear to me). Thanks.










share|cite|improve this question











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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    @MattN.You should tag it Asaf Karagila.
    $endgroup$
    – Git Gud
    Mar 30 '13 at 15:03










  • $begingroup$
    No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    May 3 '13 at 11:27
















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$begingroup$


On Wikipedia it is mentioned that "... in order to prove that every accumulation point $x$ of a set $Ssubseteq mathbf R$ is the limit of some sequence of elements of $Ssetminus {x}$, one uses (a weak form of) the axiom of countable choice. When formulated for accumulation points of arbitrary metric spaces, the statement becomes equivalent to $AC_omega$. ..."



I have Herrlich's paper "Choice principles in elementary topology and analysis" where in theorem 2.4. it is stated that these are indeed equivalent. Then I looked up the reference he quotes, [4], which are Bentley H.L., Herrlich H., Countable choice and pseudometric spaces which does not contain the proof and [14] Herrlich H., Steprans J., Maximal filters, continuity and choice principles. does also not contain the proof, hence my question:



Where can I see a proof of




"if $S$ is a set in a metric space $X$ with accumulation point $s$
then there exists a sequence $s_n$ in $S$ converging to $s$"
$implies$ $AC_omega$




? (the other implication is clear to me). Thanks.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




On Wikipedia it is mentioned that "... in order to prove that every accumulation point $x$ of a set $Ssubseteq mathbf R$ is the limit of some sequence of elements of $Ssetminus {x}$, one uses (a weak form of) the axiom of countable choice. When formulated for accumulation points of arbitrary metric spaces, the statement becomes equivalent to $AC_omega$. ..."



I have Herrlich's paper "Choice principles in elementary topology and analysis" where in theorem 2.4. it is stated that these are indeed equivalent. Then I looked up the reference he quotes, [4], which are Bentley H.L., Herrlich H., Countable choice and pseudometric spaces which does not contain the proof and [14] Herrlich H., Steprans J., Maximal filters, continuity and choice principles. does also not contain the proof, hence my question:



Where can I see a proof of




"if $S$ is a set in a metric space $X$ with accumulation point $s$
then there exists a sequence $s_n$ in $S$ converging to $s$"
$implies$ $AC_omega$




? (the other implication is clear to me). Thanks.







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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    @MattN.You should tag it Asaf Karagila.
    $endgroup$
    – Git Gud
    Mar 30 '13 at 15:03










  • $begingroup$
    No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    May 3 '13 at 11:27
















  • 3




    $begingroup$
    @MattN.You should tag it Asaf Karagila.
    $endgroup$
    – Git Gud
    Mar 30 '13 at 15:03










  • $begingroup$
    No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    May 3 '13 at 11:27










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$begingroup$
@MattN.You should tag it Asaf Karagila.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Mar 30 '13 at 15:03




$begingroup$
@MattN.You should tag it Asaf Karagila.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Mar 30 '13 at 15:03












$begingroup$
No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
May 3 '13 at 11:27






$begingroup$
No, actually. I very much disagree. There are at least 5 users whose answers (in general) I'd prefer over one of Asaf's.
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
May 3 '13 at 11:27












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The proof does appear in Herrlich and Steprans paper. It is the combination of propositions 4 and 5.



The first step is to prove that $sf AC_omega$ is equivalent to the following statement:




For each sequence of non-empty sets $(X_n)$ there exists a strictly monotone function $sigmacolonBbb{Nto N}$ with $prodlimits_{ninBbb N}X_{sigma(n)}neqvarnothing$.




Obviously $sf AC_omega$ implies this condition, to see the reverse implication, suppose this statement is true, take $A_n=prodlimits_{i=0}^n X_n$, these are non-empty sets. And the $sigma$ which exists witnessing $prod_{ninBbb N}A_{sigma(n)}$ defines a choice from $X_n$'s, by taking $(a_n)$ where $a_nin A_{sigma(n)}$, then $a_n=(x_0^n,ldots,x_{sigma(n)}^n)$. Since $nleqsigma(n)$ for all $n$, we can safely define the sequence $(x_n^n)$ as a choice from the $X_n$'s. $square$



The second proposition is this:




Proposition 5. The following conditions are equivalent:




  1. $sf AC_omega$.

  2. For each metric space $A$, the following are equivalent:

    1. $x$ is an accumulation point of $A$.

    2. There exists a sequence $(a_n)$ in $A$ with $a_nto x$.



  3. For mappings $f$ between metric spaces the following are equivalent:

    1. $f$ is continuous.

    2. $f$ is sequentially continuous.






Clearly $sf AC_omega$ implies the other two equivalences. And they are equivalent themselves, (3) implies (2) by taking the identity function, and (2) implies (3) because the failure of (3) is really just the failure of (2).



So we only have to show that (2) implies $sf AC_omega$. This is done as follows, take $(X_n)$ to be a sequence of non-empty sets, let $X$ be the following set, $$X={infty}cupbigcup_{ninBbb N}Big(X_ntimes{n+1}Big),$$
along with the metric:



$$dBig(langle x,nrangle,langle y,mrangleBig)=begin{cases}frac1n & n=m\left|frac1n-frac1mright|& nneq mend{cases}\
dBig(langle x,nrangle,inftyBig)=dBig(infty,langle x,nrangleBig)=frac1n\
d(infty,infty)=0$$



Since $infty$ is clearly an accumulation point of $A=Xsetminus{infty}$, by our assumption there is a sequence $a_ntoinfty$, and we may assume without loss of generality that this sequence is strictly decreasing (in its distances that is). Let $sigma$ be the unique function such that $a_nin X_{sigma(n)}times{sigma(n)+1}$. This clearly defines a partial choice as in the previous proposition, so $sf AC_omega$ holds. $square$






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    Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
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    I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:58










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    It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
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    Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:52












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    The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
    $endgroup$
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The proof does appear in Herrlich and Steprans paper. It is the combination of propositions 4 and 5.



The first step is to prove that $sf AC_omega$ is equivalent to the following statement:




For each sequence of non-empty sets $(X_n)$ there exists a strictly monotone function $sigmacolonBbb{Nto N}$ with $prodlimits_{ninBbb N}X_{sigma(n)}neqvarnothing$.




Obviously $sf AC_omega$ implies this condition, to see the reverse implication, suppose this statement is true, take $A_n=prodlimits_{i=0}^n X_n$, these are non-empty sets. And the $sigma$ which exists witnessing $prod_{ninBbb N}A_{sigma(n)}$ defines a choice from $X_n$'s, by taking $(a_n)$ where $a_nin A_{sigma(n)}$, then $a_n=(x_0^n,ldots,x_{sigma(n)}^n)$. Since $nleqsigma(n)$ for all $n$, we can safely define the sequence $(x_n^n)$ as a choice from the $X_n$'s. $square$



The second proposition is this:




Proposition 5. The following conditions are equivalent:




  1. $sf AC_omega$.

  2. For each metric space $A$, the following are equivalent:

    1. $x$ is an accumulation point of $A$.

    2. There exists a sequence $(a_n)$ in $A$ with $a_nto x$.



  3. For mappings $f$ between metric spaces the following are equivalent:

    1. $f$ is continuous.

    2. $f$ is sequentially continuous.






Clearly $sf AC_omega$ implies the other two equivalences. And they are equivalent themselves, (3) implies (2) by taking the identity function, and (2) implies (3) because the failure of (3) is really just the failure of (2).



So we only have to show that (2) implies $sf AC_omega$. This is done as follows, take $(X_n)$ to be a sequence of non-empty sets, let $X$ be the following set, $$X={infty}cupbigcup_{ninBbb N}Big(X_ntimes{n+1}Big),$$
along with the metric:



$$dBig(langle x,nrangle,langle y,mrangleBig)=begin{cases}frac1n & n=m\left|frac1n-frac1mright|& nneq mend{cases}\
dBig(langle x,nrangle,inftyBig)=dBig(infty,langle x,nrangleBig)=frac1n\
d(infty,infty)=0$$



Since $infty$ is clearly an accumulation point of $A=Xsetminus{infty}$, by our assumption there is a sequence $a_ntoinfty$, and we may assume without loss of generality that this sequence is strictly decreasing (in its distances that is). Let $sigma$ be the unique function such that $a_nin X_{sigma(n)}times{sigma(n)+1}$. This clearly defines a partial choice as in the previous proposition, so $sf AC_omega$ holds. $square$






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    Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:56












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    I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:58










  • $begingroup$
    It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:50






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:52












  • $begingroup$
    The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 20:00
















8





+50







$begingroup$

The proof does appear in Herrlich and Steprans paper. It is the combination of propositions 4 and 5.



The first step is to prove that $sf AC_omega$ is equivalent to the following statement:




For each sequence of non-empty sets $(X_n)$ there exists a strictly monotone function $sigmacolonBbb{Nto N}$ with $prodlimits_{ninBbb N}X_{sigma(n)}neqvarnothing$.




Obviously $sf AC_omega$ implies this condition, to see the reverse implication, suppose this statement is true, take $A_n=prodlimits_{i=0}^n X_n$, these are non-empty sets. And the $sigma$ which exists witnessing $prod_{ninBbb N}A_{sigma(n)}$ defines a choice from $X_n$'s, by taking $(a_n)$ where $a_nin A_{sigma(n)}$, then $a_n=(x_0^n,ldots,x_{sigma(n)}^n)$. Since $nleqsigma(n)$ for all $n$, we can safely define the sequence $(x_n^n)$ as a choice from the $X_n$'s. $square$



The second proposition is this:




Proposition 5. The following conditions are equivalent:




  1. $sf AC_omega$.

  2. For each metric space $A$, the following are equivalent:

    1. $x$ is an accumulation point of $A$.

    2. There exists a sequence $(a_n)$ in $A$ with $a_nto x$.



  3. For mappings $f$ between metric spaces the following are equivalent:

    1. $f$ is continuous.

    2. $f$ is sequentially continuous.






Clearly $sf AC_omega$ implies the other two equivalences. And they are equivalent themselves, (3) implies (2) by taking the identity function, and (2) implies (3) because the failure of (3) is really just the failure of (2).



So we only have to show that (2) implies $sf AC_omega$. This is done as follows, take $(X_n)$ to be a sequence of non-empty sets, let $X$ be the following set, $$X={infty}cupbigcup_{ninBbb N}Big(X_ntimes{n+1}Big),$$
along with the metric:



$$dBig(langle x,nrangle,langle y,mrangleBig)=begin{cases}frac1n & n=m\left|frac1n-frac1mright|& nneq mend{cases}\
dBig(langle x,nrangle,inftyBig)=dBig(infty,langle x,nrangleBig)=frac1n\
d(infty,infty)=0$$



Since $infty$ is clearly an accumulation point of $A=Xsetminus{infty}$, by our assumption there is a sequence $a_ntoinfty$, and we may assume without loss of generality that this sequence is strictly decreasing (in its distances that is). Let $sigma$ be the unique function such that $a_nin X_{sigma(n)}times{sigma(n)+1}$. This clearly defines a partial choice as in the previous proposition, so $sf AC_omega$ holds. $square$






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    Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:56












  • $begingroup$
    I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:58










  • $begingroup$
    It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:50






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:52












  • $begingroup$
    The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 20:00














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+50







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+50



$begingroup$

The proof does appear in Herrlich and Steprans paper. It is the combination of propositions 4 and 5.



The first step is to prove that $sf AC_omega$ is equivalent to the following statement:




For each sequence of non-empty sets $(X_n)$ there exists a strictly monotone function $sigmacolonBbb{Nto N}$ with $prodlimits_{ninBbb N}X_{sigma(n)}neqvarnothing$.




Obviously $sf AC_omega$ implies this condition, to see the reverse implication, suppose this statement is true, take $A_n=prodlimits_{i=0}^n X_n$, these are non-empty sets. And the $sigma$ which exists witnessing $prod_{ninBbb N}A_{sigma(n)}$ defines a choice from $X_n$'s, by taking $(a_n)$ where $a_nin A_{sigma(n)}$, then $a_n=(x_0^n,ldots,x_{sigma(n)}^n)$. Since $nleqsigma(n)$ for all $n$, we can safely define the sequence $(x_n^n)$ as a choice from the $X_n$'s. $square$



The second proposition is this:




Proposition 5. The following conditions are equivalent:




  1. $sf AC_omega$.

  2. For each metric space $A$, the following are equivalent:

    1. $x$ is an accumulation point of $A$.

    2. There exists a sequence $(a_n)$ in $A$ with $a_nto x$.



  3. For mappings $f$ between metric spaces the following are equivalent:

    1. $f$ is continuous.

    2. $f$ is sequentially continuous.






Clearly $sf AC_omega$ implies the other two equivalences. And they are equivalent themselves, (3) implies (2) by taking the identity function, and (2) implies (3) because the failure of (3) is really just the failure of (2).



So we only have to show that (2) implies $sf AC_omega$. This is done as follows, take $(X_n)$ to be a sequence of non-empty sets, let $X$ be the following set, $$X={infty}cupbigcup_{ninBbb N}Big(X_ntimes{n+1}Big),$$
along with the metric:



$$dBig(langle x,nrangle,langle y,mrangleBig)=begin{cases}frac1n & n=m\left|frac1n-frac1mright|& nneq mend{cases}\
dBig(langle x,nrangle,inftyBig)=dBig(infty,langle x,nrangleBig)=frac1n\
d(infty,infty)=0$$



Since $infty$ is clearly an accumulation point of $A=Xsetminus{infty}$, by our assumption there is a sequence $a_ntoinfty$, and we may assume without loss of generality that this sequence is strictly decreasing (in its distances that is). Let $sigma$ be the unique function such that $a_nin X_{sigma(n)}times{sigma(n)+1}$. This clearly defines a partial choice as in the previous proposition, so $sf AC_omega$ holds. $square$






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The proof does appear in Herrlich and Steprans paper. It is the combination of propositions 4 and 5.



The first step is to prove that $sf AC_omega$ is equivalent to the following statement:




For each sequence of non-empty sets $(X_n)$ there exists a strictly monotone function $sigmacolonBbb{Nto N}$ with $prodlimits_{ninBbb N}X_{sigma(n)}neqvarnothing$.




Obviously $sf AC_omega$ implies this condition, to see the reverse implication, suppose this statement is true, take $A_n=prodlimits_{i=0}^n X_n$, these are non-empty sets. And the $sigma$ which exists witnessing $prod_{ninBbb N}A_{sigma(n)}$ defines a choice from $X_n$'s, by taking $(a_n)$ where $a_nin A_{sigma(n)}$, then $a_n=(x_0^n,ldots,x_{sigma(n)}^n)$. Since $nleqsigma(n)$ for all $n$, we can safely define the sequence $(x_n^n)$ as a choice from the $X_n$'s. $square$



The second proposition is this:




Proposition 5. The following conditions are equivalent:




  1. $sf AC_omega$.

  2. For each metric space $A$, the following are equivalent:

    1. $x$ is an accumulation point of $A$.

    2. There exists a sequence $(a_n)$ in $A$ with $a_nto x$.



  3. For mappings $f$ between metric spaces the following are equivalent:

    1. $f$ is continuous.

    2. $f$ is sequentially continuous.






Clearly $sf AC_omega$ implies the other two equivalences. And they are equivalent themselves, (3) implies (2) by taking the identity function, and (2) implies (3) because the failure of (3) is really just the failure of (2).



So we only have to show that (2) implies $sf AC_omega$. This is done as follows, take $(X_n)$ to be a sequence of non-empty sets, let $X$ be the following set, $$X={infty}cupbigcup_{ninBbb N}Big(X_ntimes{n+1}Big),$$
along with the metric:



$$dBig(langle x,nrangle,langle y,mrangleBig)=begin{cases}frac1n & n=m\left|frac1n-frac1mright|& nneq mend{cases}\
dBig(langle x,nrangle,inftyBig)=dBig(infty,langle x,nrangleBig)=frac1n\
d(infty,infty)=0$$



Since $infty$ is clearly an accumulation point of $A=Xsetminus{infty}$, by our assumption there is a sequence $a_ntoinfty$, and we may assume without loss of generality that this sequence is strictly decreasing (in its distances that is). Let $sigma$ be the unique function such that $a_nin X_{sigma(n)}times{sigma(n)+1}$. This clearly defines a partial choice as in the previous proposition, so $sf AC_omega$ holds. $square$







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  • $begingroup$
    Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:56












  • $begingroup$
    I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Mar 30 '13 at 18:58










  • $begingroup$
    It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:50






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
    $endgroup$
    – Asaf Karagila
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:52












  • $begingroup$
    The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 20:00


















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    Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
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    I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
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    It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
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    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:50






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    Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
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    – Asaf Karagila
    Apr 6 '13 at 19:52












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    The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
    $endgroup$
    – Rudy the Reindeer
    Apr 6 '13 at 20:00
















$begingroup$
Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Mar 30 '13 at 18:56






$begingroup$
Excellent, thank you for posting it. Interestingly, it is completely different from my own proof : )
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Mar 30 '13 at 18:56














$begingroup$
I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Mar 30 '13 at 18:58




$begingroup$
I will accept already, then take my time to read and possibly ask follow-up questions.
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Mar 30 '13 at 18:58












$begingroup$
It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Apr 6 '13 at 19:50




$begingroup$
It's not a very interesting result but suppose I had a slightly shorter and slicker (although very similar) proof -- are there any lesser journals that would accept an undergrad paper about a not so interesting already known result?
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Apr 6 '13 at 19:50




1




1




$begingroup$
Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
$endgroup$
– Asaf Karagila
Apr 6 '13 at 19:52






$begingroup$
Nothing comes to mind, but depending on the actual proof it might be possible to generalize it and make it applicable for other things, and perhaps extend other results. In that case there is a nice chance of getting it published somewhere.
$endgroup$
– Asaf Karagila
Apr 6 '13 at 19:52














$begingroup$
The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Apr 6 '13 at 20:00




$begingroup$
The application to other things was going to be stage two Oh well. Will just have to keep working. : )
$endgroup$
– Rudy the Reindeer
Apr 6 '13 at 20:00


















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