Why is the localization of a commutative Noetherian ring still Noetherian?












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This is an unproven proposition I've come across in multiple places.



Suppose $A$ is a commutative Noetherian ring, and $S$ a multiplicative subset of $A$. Then $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian.



Why is this? I thought about taking some chain of submodules
$$
S^{-1}M_1subset S^{-1}M_2subsetcdots
$$
and pulling back to a chain
$$
M_1subset M_2subsetcdots
$$
of submodules of $A$ which must eventually stablize. Is there more to it than this? I kind of wary of assuming all submodules of $S^{-1}A$ have form $S^{-1}M$ for $Mleq A$.










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    This is an unproven proposition I've come across in multiple places.



    Suppose $A$ is a commutative Noetherian ring, and $S$ a multiplicative subset of $A$. Then $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian.



    Why is this? I thought about taking some chain of submodules
    $$
    S^{-1}M_1subset S^{-1}M_2subsetcdots
    $$
    and pulling back to a chain
    $$
    M_1subset M_2subsetcdots
    $$
    of submodules of $A$ which must eventually stablize. Is there more to it than this? I kind of wary of assuming all submodules of $S^{-1}A$ have form $S^{-1}M$ for $Mleq A$.










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      This is an unproven proposition I've come across in multiple places.



      Suppose $A$ is a commutative Noetherian ring, and $S$ a multiplicative subset of $A$. Then $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian.



      Why is this? I thought about taking some chain of submodules
      $$
      S^{-1}M_1subset S^{-1}M_2subsetcdots
      $$
      and pulling back to a chain
      $$
      M_1subset M_2subsetcdots
      $$
      of submodules of $A$ which must eventually stablize. Is there more to it than this? I kind of wary of assuming all submodules of $S^{-1}A$ have form $S^{-1}M$ for $Mleq A$.










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      This is an unproven proposition I've come across in multiple places.



      Suppose $A$ is a commutative Noetherian ring, and $S$ a multiplicative subset of $A$. Then $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian.



      Why is this? I thought about taking some chain of submodules
      $$
      S^{-1}M_1subset S^{-1}M_2subsetcdots
      $$
      and pulling back to a chain
      $$
      M_1subset M_2subsetcdots
      $$
      of submodules of $A$ which must eventually stablize. Is there more to it than this? I kind of wary of assuming all submodules of $S^{-1}A$ have form $S^{-1}M$ for $Mleq A$.







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          This is a standard property of localizations:



          Theorem. Let $R$ be a commutative ring, and let $Sneqemptyset$ be a multiplicative subset. Let $M$ be an $R$-module. Let $varphicolon Rto S^{-1}R$ be the canonical map ($varphi(r) = frac{rs}{s}$), and likewise, by abuse of notation, let $varphicolon Mto S^{-1}M$ be the natural map $(varphi(m) = frac{sm}{s}$ with $sin S$).




          1. For every submodule $N$ of $M$, $S^{-1}N = {frac{a}{s}mid ain N}$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$.


          2. If $L$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$, then $varphi^{-1}(L) = {min Mmid varphi(m)in L}$ is a submodule of $M$.


          3. If $N$ is a submodule of $M$, then $Nsubseteq varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Moreover, if $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$ for some submodule $L$ of $S^{-1}M$, then $L=S^{-1}N$.



          Proof. $S^{-1}N$ is nonempty, as it contains $frac{0}{s}$; it is closed under differences, since $frac{a}{s}-frac{b}{t} = frac{ta-sb}{st}in S^{-1}N$ if $a,bin N$. And it is closed under scalar multiplication, since $ain N$ implies $rain N$ for all $rin R$, so $frac{r}{t}(frac{a}{s}) = frac{ra}{ts}in S^{-1}N$ if $ain N$.



          Now let $L$ be a submodule of $S^{-1}M$; since $varphi$ is a module homomorphism, the pullback of a submodule is a submodule, so 2 is immediate.



          Again, let $N$ be a submodule of $M$. Then for every $ain N$ we have
          $varphi(a) = frac{sa}{s}in S^{-1}N$, since $sain N$, hence $ain varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Now assume that $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$. If $ain N$ and $sin S$, then $frac{a}{s} = frac{ssa}{sss} = frac{s}{ss}frac{sa}{s} =frac{s}{ss}varphi(a)in L$ (since $varphi(a)in L$), hence $S^{-1}Nsubseteq L$. Conversely, let $frac{m}{t}in L$. Then $frac{tt}{t}frac{m}{t} = frac{(tt)m}{tt}=varphi(m)in L$, hence $min varphi^{-1}(L) = N$; thus, $frac{m}{t}in S^{-1}N$, proving that $Lsubseteq S^{-1}N$. Therefore, $L=S^{-1}N$, as claimed. $Box$



          Corollary. Every submodule of $S^{-1}M$ is of the form $S^{-1}N$ for some submodule $N$ of $M$.






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          Let $fcolon A to S^{-1}A$ be the canonical homomorphism. It is true that every ideal $mathfrak b$ of $S^{-1}A$ is of the form $S^{-1}mathfrak a = f(mathfrak a)(S^{-1}A)$ for some ideal $mathfrak a$ of $A$. We can even take $mathfrak a = f^{-1}(mathfrak b)$, and this should help you prove that $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian using increasing chains.



          You can find related facts in and around Proposition 6.4 of Milne.






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            Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
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            @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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          This is a standard property of localizations:



          Theorem. Let $R$ be a commutative ring, and let $Sneqemptyset$ be a multiplicative subset. Let $M$ be an $R$-module. Let $varphicolon Rto S^{-1}R$ be the canonical map ($varphi(r) = frac{rs}{s}$), and likewise, by abuse of notation, let $varphicolon Mto S^{-1}M$ be the natural map $(varphi(m) = frac{sm}{s}$ with $sin S$).




          1. For every submodule $N$ of $M$, $S^{-1}N = {frac{a}{s}mid ain N}$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$.


          2. If $L$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$, then $varphi^{-1}(L) = {min Mmid varphi(m)in L}$ is a submodule of $M$.


          3. If $N$ is a submodule of $M$, then $Nsubseteq varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Moreover, if $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$ for some submodule $L$ of $S^{-1}M$, then $L=S^{-1}N$.



          Proof. $S^{-1}N$ is nonempty, as it contains $frac{0}{s}$; it is closed under differences, since $frac{a}{s}-frac{b}{t} = frac{ta-sb}{st}in S^{-1}N$ if $a,bin N$. And it is closed under scalar multiplication, since $ain N$ implies $rain N$ for all $rin R$, so $frac{r}{t}(frac{a}{s}) = frac{ra}{ts}in S^{-1}N$ if $ain N$.



          Now let $L$ be a submodule of $S^{-1}M$; since $varphi$ is a module homomorphism, the pullback of a submodule is a submodule, so 2 is immediate.



          Again, let $N$ be a submodule of $M$. Then for every $ain N$ we have
          $varphi(a) = frac{sa}{s}in S^{-1}N$, since $sain N$, hence $ain varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Now assume that $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$. If $ain N$ and $sin S$, then $frac{a}{s} = frac{ssa}{sss} = frac{s}{ss}frac{sa}{s} =frac{s}{ss}varphi(a)in L$ (since $varphi(a)in L$), hence $S^{-1}Nsubseteq L$. Conversely, let $frac{m}{t}in L$. Then $frac{tt}{t}frac{m}{t} = frac{(tt)m}{tt}=varphi(m)in L$, hence $min varphi^{-1}(L) = N$; thus, $frac{m}{t}in S^{-1}N$, proving that $Lsubseteq S^{-1}N$. Therefore, $L=S^{-1}N$, as claimed. $Box$



          Corollary. Every submodule of $S^{-1}M$ is of the form $S^{-1}N$ for some submodule $N$ of $M$.






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          This is a standard property of localizations:



          Theorem. Let $R$ be a commutative ring, and let $Sneqemptyset$ be a multiplicative subset. Let $M$ be an $R$-module. Let $varphicolon Rto S^{-1}R$ be the canonical map ($varphi(r) = frac{rs}{s}$), and likewise, by abuse of notation, let $varphicolon Mto S^{-1}M$ be the natural map $(varphi(m) = frac{sm}{s}$ with $sin S$).




          1. For every submodule $N$ of $M$, $S^{-1}N = {frac{a}{s}mid ain N}$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$.


          2. If $L$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$, then $varphi^{-1}(L) = {min Mmid varphi(m)in L}$ is a submodule of $M$.


          3. If $N$ is a submodule of $M$, then $Nsubseteq varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Moreover, if $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$ for some submodule $L$ of $S^{-1}M$, then $L=S^{-1}N$.



          Proof. $S^{-1}N$ is nonempty, as it contains $frac{0}{s}$; it is closed under differences, since $frac{a}{s}-frac{b}{t} = frac{ta-sb}{st}in S^{-1}N$ if $a,bin N$. And it is closed under scalar multiplication, since $ain N$ implies $rain N$ for all $rin R$, so $frac{r}{t}(frac{a}{s}) = frac{ra}{ts}in S^{-1}N$ if $ain N$.



          Now let $L$ be a submodule of $S^{-1}M$; since $varphi$ is a module homomorphism, the pullback of a submodule is a submodule, so 2 is immediate.



          Again, let $N$ be a submodule of $M$. Then for every $ain N$ we have
          $varphi(a) = frac{sa}{s}in S^{-1}N$, since $sain N$, hence $ain varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Now assume that $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$. If $ain N$ and $sin S$, then $frac{a}{s} = frac{ssa}{sss} = frac{s}{ss}frac{sa}{s} =frac{s}{ss}varphi(a)in L$ (since $varphi(a)in L$), hence $S^{-1}Nsubseteq L$. Conversely, let $frac{m}{t}in L$. Then $frac{tt}{t}frac{m}{t} = frac{(tt)m}{tt}=varphi(m)in L$, hence $min varphi^{-1}(L) = N$; thus, $frac{m}{t}in S^{-1}N$, proving that $Lsubseteq S^{-1}N$. Therefore, $L=S^{-1}N$, as claimed. $Box$



          Corollary. Every submodule of $S^{-1}M$ is of the form $S^{-1}N$ for some submodule $N$ of $M$.






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          $begingroup$

          This is a standard property of localizations:



          Theorem. Let $R$ be a commutative ring, and let $Sneqemptyset$ be a multiplicative subset. Let $M$ be an $R$-module. Let $varphicolon Rto S^{-1}R$ be the canonical map ($varphi(r) = frac{rs}{s}$), and likewise, by abuse of notation, let $varphicolon Mto S^{-1}M$ be the natural map $(varphi(m) = frac{sm}{s}$ with $sin S$).




          1. For every submodule $N$ of $M$, $S^{-1}N = {frac{a}{s}mid ain N}$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$.


          2. If $L$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$, then $varphi^{-1}(L) = {min Mmid varphi(m)in L}$ is a submodule of $M$.


          3. If $N$ is a submodule of $M$, then $Nsubseteq varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Moreover, if $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$ for some submodule $L$ of $S^{-1}M$, then $L=S^{-1}N$.



          Proof. $S^{-1}N$ is nonempty, as it contains $frac{0}{s}$; it is closed under differences, since $frac{a}{s}-frac{b}{t} = frac{ta-sb}{st}in S^{-1}N$ if $a,bin N$. And it is closed under scalar multiplication, since $ain N$ implies $rain N$ for all $rin R$, so $frac{r}{t}(frac{a}{s}) = frac{ra}{ts}in S^{-1}N$ if $ain N$.



          Now let $L$ be a submodule of $S^{-1}M$; since $varphi$ is a module homomorphism, the pullback of a submodule is a submodule, so 2 is immediate.



          Again, let $N$ be a submodule of $M$. Then for every $ain N$ we have
          $varphi(a) = frac{sa}{s}in S^{-1}N$, since $sain N$, hence $ain varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Now assume that $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$. If $ain N$ and $sin S$, then $frac{a}{s} = frac{ssa}{sss} = frac{s}{ss}frac{sa}{s} =frac{s}{ss}varphi(a)in L$ (since $varphi(a)in L$), hence $S^{-1}Nsubseteq L$. Conversely, let $frac{m}{t}in L$. Then $frac{tt}{t}frac{m}{t} = frac{(tt)m}{tt}=varphi(m)in L$, hence $min varphi^{-1}(L) = N$; thus, $frac{m}{t}in S^{-1}N$, proving that $Lsubseteq S^{-1}N$. Therefore, $L=S^{-1}N$, as claimed. $Box$



          Corollary. Every submodule of $S^{-1}M$ is of the form $S^{-1}N$ for some submodule $N$ of $M$.






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          This is a standard property of localizations:



          Theorem. Let $R$ be a commutative ring, and let $Sneqemptyset$ be a multiplicative subset. Let $M$ be an $R$-module. Let $varphicolon Rto S^{-1}R$ be the canonical map ($varphi(r) = frac{rs}{s}$), and likewise, by abuse of notation, let $varphicolon Mto S^{-1}M$ be the natural map $(varphi(m) = frac{sm}{s}$ with $sin S$).




          1. For every submodule $N$ of $M$, $S^{-1}N = {frac{a}{s}mid ain N}$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$.


          2. If $L$ is a submodule of $S^{-1}M$, then $varphi^{-1}(L) = {min Mmid varphi(m)in L}$ is a submodule of $M$.


          3. If $N$ is a submodule of $M$, then $Nsubseteq varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Moreover, if $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$ for some submodule $L$ of $S^{-1}M$, then $L=S^{-1}N$.



          Proof. $S^{-1}N$ is nonempty, as it contains $frac{0}{s}$; it is closed under differences, since $frac{a}{s}-frac{b}{t} = frac{ta-sb}{st}in S^{-1}N$ if $a,bin N$. And it is closed under scalar multiplication, since $ain N$ implies $rain N$ for all $rin R$, so $frac{r}{t}(frac{a}{s}) = frac{ra}{ts}in S^{-1}N$ if $ain N$.



          Now let $L$ be a submodule of $S^{-1}M$; since $varphi$ is a module homomorphism, the pullback of a submodule is a submodule, so 2 is immediate.



          Again, let $N$ be a submodule of $M$. Then for every $ain N$ we have
          $varphi(a) = frac{sa}{s}in S^{-1}N$, since $sain N$, hence $ain varphi^{-1}(S^{-1}N)$. Now assume that $N=varphi^{-1}(L)$. If $ain N$ and $sin S$, then $frac{a}{s} = frac{ssa}{sss} = frac{s}{ss}frac{sa}{s} =frac{s}{ss}varphi(a)in L$ (since $varphi(a)in L$), hence $S^{-1}Nsubseteq L$. Conversely, let $frac{m}{t}in L$. Then $frac{tt}{t}frac{m}{t} = frac{(tt)m}{tt}=varphi(m)in L$, hence $min varphi^{-1}(L) = N$; thus, $frac{m}{t}in S^{-1}N$, proving that $Lsubseteq S^{-1}N$. Therefore, $L=S^{-1}N$, as claimed. $Box$



          Corollary. Every submodule of $S^{-1}M$ is of the form $S^{-1}N$ for some submodule $N$ of $M$.







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            Thanks, these properties and the detail are very helpful.
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            – Buble
            Feb 18 '12 at 23:28






          • 4




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            @ArturoMagidin I swear to god I've learned so much from your posts on Math.SE :D
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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks, these properties and the detail are very helpful.
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            – Buble
            Feb 18 '12 at 23:28






          • 4




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          Thanks, these properties and the detail are very helpful.
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          – Buble
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          Thanks, these properties and the detail are very helpful.
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          – Buble
          Feb 18 '12 at 23:28




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          Let $fcolon A to S^{-1}A$ be the canonical homomorphism. It is true that every ideal $mathfrak b$ of $S^{-1}A$ is of the form $S^{-1}mathfrak a = f(mathfrak a)(S^{-1}A)$ for some ideal $mathfrak a$ of $A$. We can even take $mathfrak a = f^{-1}(mathfrak b)$, and this should help you prove that $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian using increasing chains.



          You can find related facts in and around Proposition 6.4 of Milne.






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            Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
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            @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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          Let $fcolon A to S^{-1}A$ be the canonical homomorphism. It is true that every ideal $mathfrak b$ of $S^{-1}A$ is of the form $S^{-1}mathfrak a = f(mathfrak a)(S^{-1}A)$ for some ideal $mathfrak a$ of $A$. We can even take $mathfrak a = f^{-1}(mathfrak b)$, and this should help you prove that $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian using increasing chains.



          You can find related facts in and around Proposition 6.4 of Milne.






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            Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
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            @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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          Let $fcolon A to S^{-1}A$ be the canonical homomorphism. It is true that every ideal $mathfrak b$ of $S^{-1}A$ is of the form $S^{-1}mathfrak a = f(mathfrak a)(S^{-1}A)$ for some ideal $mathfrak a$ of $A$. We can even take $mathfrak a = f^{-1}(mathfrak b)$, and this should help you prove that $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian using increasing chains.



          You can find related facts in and around Proposition 6.4 of Milne.






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          Let $fcolon A to S^{-1}A$ be the canonical homomorphism. It is true that every ideal $mathfrak b$ of $S^{-1}A$ is of the form $S^{-1}mathfrak a = f(mathfrak a)(S^{-1}A)$ for some ideal $mathfrak a$ of $A$. We can even take $mathfrak a = f^{-1}(mathfrak b)$, and this should help you prove that $S^{-1}A$ is Noetherian using increasing chains.



          You can find related facts in and around Proposition 6.4 of Milne.







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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
            $endgroup$
            – Buble
            Feb 18 '12 at 23:27










          • $begingroup$
            @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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            Feb 18 '12 at 23:47




















          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
            $endgroup$
            – Buble
            Feb 18 '12 at 23:27










          • $begingroup$
            @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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            – Dylan Moreland
            Feb 18 '12 at 23:47


















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          Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
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          – Buble
          Feb 18 '12 at 23:27




          $begingroup$
          Thanks for your help again, Dylan. btw, should it say some ideal $mathfrak{a}$ of $A$? in the second line, not $S^{-1}A$?
          $endgroup$
          – Buble
          Feb 18 '12 at 23:27












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          @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
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          – Dylan Moreland
          Feb 18 '12 at 23:47






          $begingroup$
          @Buble Yes indeed. I was toying with the wording and this mixup, inevitably, happened.
          $endgroup$
          – Dylan Moreland
          Feb 18 '12 at 23:47




















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