Counterexample in Radon-Nikodym Theorem. Problem 38 Royden 2ed.












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Use the following example to show that the hypothesis in the
Radon-Nikodym Theorem that $mu$ is $sigma$-finite cannot be omitted. Let $X=[0,1], mathcal{B}$ the class of Lebesgue measurable subsets of $[0, 1]$, and take $nu$, to be Lebesgue measure and $mu$ to be the counting measure on $mathcal{B}$. Then $nu$ is
finite and absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$, but there is no function $f$ such that $nu E = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}.$
Solution. Suppose there is a function $f$ such that $nu(E) = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}$. Since $nu$ es finite, $f$ is integrable with respect to $mu$. Thus $E_0 = left{x : f(x)neq 0right}$ is countable. Now $0=nu(E_0)=int_{E_0}fdmu$. Contradiction. Hence there is no such function
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Why $E_0$ is countable?



Why $int_{E_0}fdmu=0$ is a contradiction?










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    Use the following example to show that the hypothesis in the
    Radon-Nikodym Theorem that $mu$ is $sigma$-finite cannot be omitted. Let $X=[0,1], mathcal{B}$ the class of Lebesgue measurable subsets of $[0, 1]$, and take $nu$, to be Lebesgue measure and $mu$ to be the counting measure on $mathcal{B}$. Then $nu$ is
    finite and absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$, but there is no function $f$ such that $nu E = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}.$
    Solution. Suppose there is a function $f$ such that $nu(E) = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}$. Since $nu$ es finite, $f$ is integrable with respect to $mu$. Thus $E_0 = left{x : f(x)neq 0right}$ is countable. Now $0=nu(E_0)=int_{E_0}fdmu$. Contradiction. Hence there is no such function
    I have a doubts:



    Why $E_0$ is countable?



    Why $int_{E_0}fdmu=0$ is a contradiction?










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      Use the following example to show that the hypothesis in the
      Radon-Nikodym Theorem that $mu$ is $sigma$-finite cannot be omitted. Let $X=[0,1], mathcal{B}$ the class of Lebesgue measurable subsets of $[0, 1]$, and take $nu$, to be Lebesgue measure and $mu$ to be the counting measure on $mathcal{B}$. Then $nu$ is
      finite and absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$, but there is no function $f$ such that $nu E = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}.$
      Solution. Suppose there is a function $f$ such that $nu(E) = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}$. Since $nu$ es finite, $f$ is integrable with respect to $mu$. Thus $E_0 = left{x : f(x)neq 0right}$ is countable. Now $0=nu(E_0)=int_{E_0}fdmu$. Contradiction. Hence there is no such function
      I have a doubts:



      Why $E_0$ is countable?



      Why $int_{E_0}fdmu=0$ is a contradiction?










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      Use the following example to show that the hypothesis in the
      Radon-Nikodym Theorem that $mu$ is $sigma$-finite cannot be omitted. Let $X=[0,1], mathcal{B}$ the class of Lebesgue measurable subsets of $[0, 1]$, and take $nu$, to be Lebesgue measure and $mu$ to be the counting measure on $mathcal{B}$. Then $nu$ is
      finite and absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$, but there is no function $f$ such that $nu E = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}.$
      Solution. Suppose there is a function $f$ such that $nu(E) = int_{E} f dmu$ for all $Einmathcal{B}$. Since $nu$ es finite, $f$ is integrable with respect to $mu$. Thus $E_0 = left{x : f(x)neq 0right}$ is countable. Now $0=nu(E_0)=int_{E_0}fdmu$. Contradiction. Hence there is no such function
      I have a doubts:



      Why $E_0$ is countable?



      Why $int_{E_0}fdmu=0$ is a contradiction?







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          Why is $E_0$ countable?



          Observe that $ E_0 = bigcup_{n in mathbb N} F_n,$ where $ F_n : = { x : | f(x) | > tfrac 1 n }. $ Also observe that
          $$int_{[0,1]} |f| dmu geq int_{F_n} |f| dmugeq frac{1}{n}mu(F_n)=frac{|F_n|}{n}.$$



          For $f$ to be $mu$-integrable, we therefore require that $|F_n|$ is finite for each $n$, and this implies that $E_0$ is countable.



          Why is $int_{E_0} f dmu = 0$ a contradiction?



          It is worth pointing out that $f$ must be non-negative everywhere. (Because if $f$ is negative for some $x in [0,1]$, then we would have $nu({ x}) = f(x) mu({ x}) = f(x) < 0$.)



          Since $f$ is non-negative and non-zero on $E_0$, $f$ must in fact be strictly positive on $E_0$. If $E_0$ is non-empty (say $x in E_0$), then $$nu(E_0) = int_{E_0} f dmu geq f(x) mu({ x })= f(x)> 0,$$
          which is false, since the Lebesgue measure of any countable set is zero.



          So $E_0$ must be empty. But then $f$ would be zero everywhere, which would imply that the Lebesgue measure is the zero measure, and this is absurd too.



          Is there a more direct way of proving this?



          Personally, I would argue as follows. $nu (E) = int_E f dmu$ holds for all Lebesgue-measurable $E$, so in particular, it must hold when $E$ is a singleton set $ { x }$. Thus we have
          $$ 0 = nu ({ x })=int_{{ x}} f dmu=f(x) mu({ x })=f(x)$$
          for all $x in [0,1]$, i.e. $f$ is identically zero.



          But then, considering the case $E = [0,1]$, we have
          $$ 1 = nu([0,1]) = int_{[0,1]}f dmu = int_{[0,1]}0 dmu = 0,$$



          which is a contradiction.






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            For a sum of the elements of a set to be finite, the number of non-zero elements must be at most countable. This is the reason for $E_0$ being countable.



            The contradiction occurs because $f>0$ on $E_0,$ and $E_0$ is non-empty since $nu>0,$ so $int_{E_0} f , dmu > 0.$






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              Why is $E_0$ countable?



              Observe that $ E_0 = bigcup_{n in mathbb N} F_n,$ where $ F_n : = { x : | f(x) | > tfrac 1 n }. $ Also observe that
              $$int_{[0,1]} |f| dmu geq int_{F_n} |f| dmugeq frac{1}{n}mu(F_n)=frac{|F_n|}{n}.$$



              For $f$ to be $mu$-integrable, we therefore require that $|F_n|$ is finite for each $n$, and this implies that $E_0$ is countable.



              Why is $int_{E_0} f dmu = 0$ a contradiction?



              It is worth pointing out that $f$ must be non-negative everywhere. (Because if $f$ is negative for some $x in [0,1]$, then we would have $nu({ x}) = f(x) mu({ x}) = f(x) < 0$.)



              Since $f$ is non-negative and non-zero on $E_0$, $f$ must in fact be strictly positive on $E_0$. If $E_0$ is non-empty (say $x in E_0$), then $$nu(E_0) = int_{E_0} f dmu geq f(x) mu({ x })= f(x)> 0,$$
              which is false, since the Lebesgue measure of any countable set is zero.



              So $E_0$ must be empty. But then $f$ would be zero everywhere, which would imply that the Lebesgue measure is the zero measure, and this is absurd too.



              Is there a more direct way of proving this?



              Personally, I would argue as follows. $nu (E) = int_E f dmu$ holds for all Lebesgue-measurable $E$, so in particular, it must hold when $E$ is a singleton set $ { x }$. Thus we have
              $$ 0 = nu ({ x })=int_{{ x}} f dmu=f(x) mu({ x })=f(x)$$
              for all $x in [0,1]$, i.e. $f$ is identically zero.



              But then, considering the case $E = [0,1]$, we have
              $$ 1 = nu([0,1]) = int_{[0,1]}f dmu = int_{[0,1]}0 dmu = 0,$$



              which is a contradiction.






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                Why is $E_0$ countable?



                Observe that $ E_0 = bigcup_{n in mathbb N} F_n,$ where $ F_n : = { x : | f(x) | > tfrac 1 n }. $ Also observe that
                $$int_{[0,1]} |f| dmu geq int_{F_n} |f| dmugeq frac{1}{n}mu(F_n)=frac{|F_n|}{n}.$$



                For $f$ to be $mu$-integrable, we therefore require that $|F_n|$ is finite for each $n$, and this implies that $E_0$ is countable.



                Why is $int_{E_0} f dmu = 0$ a contradiction?



                It is worth pointing out that $f$ must be non-negative everywhere. (Because if $f$ is negative for some $x in [0,1]$, then we would have $nu({ x}) = f(x) mu({ x}) = f(x) < 0$.)



                Since $f$ is non-negative and non-zero on $E_0$, $f$ must in fact be strictly positive on $E_0$. If $E_0$ is non-empty (say $x in E_0$), then $$nu(E_0) = int_{E_0} f dmu geq f(x) mu({ x })= f(x)> 0,$$
                which is false, since the Lebesgue measure of any countable set is zero.



                So $E_0$ must be empty. But then $f$ would be zero everywhere, which would imply that the Lebesgue measure is the zero measure, and this is absurd too.



                Is there a more direct way of proving this?



                Personally, I would argue as follows. $nu (E) = int_E f dmu$ holds for all Lebesgue-measurable $E$, so in particular, it must hold when $E$ is a singleton set $ { x }$. Thus we have
                $$ 0 = nu ({ x })=int_{{ x}} f dmu=f(x) mu({ x })=f(x)$$
                for all $x in [0,1]$, i.e. $f$ is identically zero.



                But then, considering the case $E = [0,1]$, we have
                $$ 1 = nu([0,1]) = int_{[0,1]}f dmu = int_{[0,1]}0 dmu = 0,$$



                which is a contradiction.






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                  Why is $E_0$ countable?



                  Observe that $ E_0 = bigcup_{n in mathbb N} F_n,$ where $ F_n : = { x : | f(x) | > tfrac 1 n }. $ Also observe that
                  $$int_{[0,1]} |f| dmu geq int_{F_n} |f| dmugeq frac{1}{n}mu(F_n)=frac{|F_n|}{n}.$$



                  For $f$ to be $mu$-integrable, we therefore require that $|F_n|$ is finite for each $n$, and this implies that $E_0$ is countable.



                  Why is $int_{E_0} f dmu = 0$ a contradiction?



                  It is worth pointing out that $f$ must be non-negative everywhere. (Because if $f$ is negative for some $x in [0,1]$, then we would have $nu({ x}) = f(x) mu({ x}) = f(x) < 0$.)



                  Since $f$ is non-negative and non-zero on $E_0$, $f$ must in fact be strictly positive on $E_0$. If $E_0$ is non-empty (say $x in E_0$), then $$nu(E_0) = int_{E_0} f dmu geq f(x) mu({ x })= f(x)> 0,$$
                  which is false, since the Lebesgue measure of any countable set is zero.



                  So $E_0$ must be empty. But then $f$ would be zero everywhere, which would imply that the Lebesgue measure is the zero measure, and this is absurd too.



                  Is there a more direct way of proving this?



                  Personally, I would argue as follows. $nu (E) = int_E f dmu$ holds for all Lebesgue-measurable $E$, so in particular, it must hold when $E$ is a singleton set $ { x }$. Thus we have
                  $$ 0 = nu ({ x })=int_{{ x}} f dmu=f(x) mu({ x })=f(x)$$
                  for all $x in [0,1]$, i.e. $f$ is identically zero.



                  But then, considering the case $E = [0,1]$, we have
                  $$ 1 = nu([0,1]) = int_{[0,1]}f dmu = int_{[0,1]}0 dmu = 0,$$



                  which is a contradiction.






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                  Why is $E_0$ countable?



                  Observe that $ E_0 = bigcup_{n in mathbb N} F_n,$ where $ F_n : = { x : | f(x) | > tfrac 1 n }. $ Also observe that
                  $$int_{[0,1]} |f| dmu geq int_{F_n} |f| dmugeq frac{1}{n}mu(F_n)=frac{|F_n|}{n}.$$



                  For $f$ to be $mu$-integrable, we therefore require that $|F_n|$ is finite for each $n$, and this implies that $E_0$ is countable.



                  Why is $int_{E_0} f dmu = 0$ a contradiction?



                  It is worth pointing out that $f$ must be non-negative everywhere. (Because if $f$ is negative for some $x in [0,1]$, then we would have $nu({ x}) = f(x) mu({ x}) = f(x) < 0$.)



                  Since $f$ is non-negative and non-zero on $E_0$, $f$ must in fact be strictly positive on $E_0$. If $E_0$ is non-empty (say $x in E_0$), then $$nu(E_0) = int_{E_0} f dmu geq f(x) mu({ x })= f(x)> 0,$$
                  which is false, since the Lebesgue measure of any countable set is zero.



                  So $E_0$ must be empty. But then $f$ would be zero everywhere, which would imply that the Lebesgue measure is the zero measure, and this is absurd too.



                  Is there a more direct way of proving this?



                  Personally, I would argue as follows. $nu (E) = int_E f dmu$ holds for all Lebesgue-measurable $E$, so in particular, it must hold when $E$ is a singleton set $ { x }$. Thus we have
                  $$ 0 = nu ({ x })=int_{{ x}} f dmu=f(x) mu({ x })=f(x)$$
                  for all $x in [0,1]$, i.e. $f$ is identically zero.



                  But then, considering the case $E = [0,1]$, we have
                  $$ 1 = nu([0,1]) = int_{[0,1]}f dmu = int_{[0,1]}0 dmu = 0,$$



                  which is a contradiction.







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                      For a sum of the elements of a set to be finite, the number of non-zero elements must be at most countable. This is the reason for $E_0$ being countable.



                      The contradiction occurs because $f>0$ on $E_0,$ and $E_0$ is non-empty since $nu>0,$ so $int_{E_0} f , dmu > 0.$






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                        For a sum of the elements of a set to be finite, the number of non-zero elements must be at most countable. This is the reason for $E_0$ being countable.



                        The contradiction occurs because $f>0$ on $E_0,$ and $E_0$ is non-empty since $nu>0,$ so $int_{E_0} f , dmu > 0.$






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                          For a sum of the elements of a set to be finite, the number of non-zero elements must be at most countable. This is the reason for $E_0$ being countable.



                          The contradiction occurs because $f>0$ on $E_0,$ and $E_0$ is non-empty since $nu>0,$ so $int_{E_0} f , dmu > 0.$






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                          For a sum of the elements of a set to be finite, the number of non-zero elements must be at most countable. This is the reason for $E_0$ being countable.



                          The contradiction occurs because $f>0$ on $E_0,$ and $E_0$ is non-empty since $nu>0,$ so $int_{E_0} f , dmu > 0.$







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