Prove or disprove : A metric space $X$ is compact iff for any sequence ${f_n } $ in $X$ , there exists a...
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In Stein's real analysis Page $ 188 $ , the author states that :
Definition $1$ : $H$ is a Hilbert space . A set $X subset H$ is compact is for any sequence ${f_n }$ in $X$ , there exists a subsequence ${ f_{n_k}}$ that converges in the norm to an element in $X$ .
This definition of a compact set is quite different from what I have learned :
Definition $2$: A set $X subset H$ is compact if every open covering of $X$ has a finite subcovering.
I want to show that the two definitions of the compact set above are the same.
My attempt :
First I want to use $2$ to prove $1$ . Since $H$ is a Hilbert space , then it must be a $T_1$ space , so $X$ is closed . Let $X'$ denote the closure of ${f_n }$ , so $X' subset X$ is also a compact set . And the collection of ball $B_{2^{-n}}(f_n)$ covering $X'$ , so that by $2$ , we have a finite subcovering . Notice that there are infinite many elements of ${f_n}$ in some ball $B_{2^{-N}}(f_N)$ . Let $f_{n_1} = f_N$ and we say that $f_{k_2},...,f_{k_n},..$ are the elements in $B_{2^{-N}}(f_{n_1})$ . We can proceed by the same way to find a sequence $f_{n_1} ,..., f_{n_k},...$ and they form a Cauchy sequence . By the completeness of Hilbert space , we then conclude the proof .
The question is how to use $1$ to prove $2$ . I have seen a hint here . Suppose there is family of open sets $O_1,ldots,O_n,ldots$ such that $X subset cup O_n$ but there is no finite subcovering. Construct the sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n in X setminus bigcup_{i=1}^n O_i $ , then we can find a subsequence ${x_{n_k} }$ and for some $N$ , each $x_{n_k} notin O_N$ while ${x_{n_k} }$ converges to an element $x in O_N$ . But how to deal with this next ?
For the proof above, we see that we only assume $H$ is a complete metric space. Does the conclusion valid when $H$ is a metric space (might not be complete).
Or more generally , does the conclusion still valid when $H$ is just a topology space . Here definition $1$ is :
for any sequence ${ f_n}$ in $X$ , there exist $f in X$ such that for every open set containing $f$ , it also contains at least one element $f_k$
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In Stein's real analysis Page $ 188 $ , the author states that :
Definition $1$ : $H$ is a Hilbert space . A set $X subset H$ is compact is for any sequence ${f_n }$ in $X$ , there exists a subsequence ${ f_{n_k}}$ that converges in the norm to an element in $X$ .
This definition of a compact set is quite different from what I have learned :
Definition $2$: A set $X subset H$ is compact if every open covering of $X$ has a finite subcovering.
I want to show that the two definitions of the compact set above are the same.
My attempt :
First I want to use $2$ to prove $1$ . Since $H$ is a Hilbert space , then it must be a $T_1$ space , so $X$ is closed . Let $X'$ denote the closure of ${f_n }$ , so $X' subset X$ is also a compact set . And the collection of ball $B_{2^{-n}}(f_n)$ covering $X'$ , so that by $2$ , we have a finite subcovering . Notice that there are infinite many elements of ${f_n}$ in some ball $B_{2^{-N}}(f_N)$ . Let $f_{n_1} = f_N$ and we say that $f_{k_2},...,f_{k_n},..$ are the elements in $B_{2^{-N}}(f_{n_1})$ . We can proceed by the same way to find a sequence $f_{n_1} ,..., f_{n_k},...$ and they form a Cauchy sequence . By the completeness of Hilbert space , we then conclude the proof .
The question is how to use $1$ to prove $2$ . I have seen a hint here . Suppose there is family of open sets $O_1,ldots,O_n,ldots$ such that $X subset cup O_n$ but there is no finite subcovering. Construct the sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n in X setminus bigcup_{i=1}^n O_i $ , then we can find a subsequence ${x_{n_k} }$ and for some $N$ , each $x_{n_k} notin O_N$ while ${x_{n_k} }$ converges to an element $x in O_N$ . But how to deal with this next ?
For the proof above, we see that we only assume $H$ is a complete metric space. Does the conclusion valid when $H$ is a metric space (might not be complete).
Or more generally , does the conclusion still valid when $H$ is just a topology space . Here definition $1$ is :
for any sequence ${ f_n}$ in $X$ , there exist $f in X$ such that for every open set containing $f$ , it also contains at least one element $f_k$
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This is in a million texts on basic real analysis.
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– zhw.
Jan 25 at 23:33
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
Jan 25 at 23:41
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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In Stein's real analysis Page $ 188 $ , the author states that :
Definition $1$ : $H$ is a Hilbert space . A set $X subset H$ is compact is for any sequence ${f_n }$ in $X$ , there exists a subsequence ${ f_{n_k}}$ that converges in the norm to an element in $X$ .
This definition of a compact set is quite different from what I have learned :
Definition $2$: A set $X subset H$ is compact if every open covering of $X$ has a finite subcovering.
I want to show that the two definitions of the compact set above are the same.
My attempt :
First I want to use $2$ to prove $1$ . Since $H$ is a Hilbert space , then it must be a $T_1$ space , so $X$ is closed . Let $X'$ denote the closure of ${f_n }$ , so $X' subset X$ is also a compact set . And the collection of ball $B_{2^{-n}}(f_n)$ covering $X'$ , so that by $2$ , we have a finite subcovering . Notice that there are infinite many elements of ${f_n}$ in some ball $B_{2^{-N}}(f_N)$ . Let $f_{n_1} = f_N$ and we say that $f_{k_2},...,f_{k_n},..$ are the elements in $B_{2^{-N}}(f_{n_1})$ . We can proceed by the same way to find a sequence $f_{n_1} ,..., f_{n_k},...$ and they form a Cauchy sequence . By the completeness of Hilbert space , we then conclude the proof .
The question is how to use $1$ to prove $2$ . I have seen a hint here . Suppose there is family of open sets $O_1,ldots,O_n,ldots$ such that $X subset cup O_n$ but there is no finite subcovering. Construct the sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n in X setminus bigcup_{i=1}^n O_i $ , then we can find a subsequence ${x_{n_k} }$ and for some $N$ , each $x_{n_k} notin O_N$ while ${x_{n_k} }$ converges to an element $x in O_N$ . But how to deal with this next ?
For the proof above, we see that we only assume $H$ is a complete metric space. Does the conclusion valid when $H$ is a metric space (might not be complete).
Or more generally , does the conclusion still valid when $H$ is just a topology space . Here definition $1$ is :
for any sequence ${ f_n}$ in $X$ , there exist $f in X$ such that for every open set containing $f$ , it also contains at least one element $f_k$
real-analysis general-topology hilbert-spaces
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In Stein's real analysis Page $ 188 $ , the author states that :
Definition $1$ : $H$ is a Hilbert space . A set $X subset H$ is compact is for any sequence ${f_n }$ in $X$ , there exists a subsequence ${ f_{n_k}}$ that converges in the norm to an element in $X$ .
This definition of a compact set is quite different from what I have learned :
Definition $2$: A set $X subset H$ is compact if every open covering of $X$ has a finite subcovering.
I want to show that the two definitions of the compact set above are the same.
My attempt :
First I want to use $2$ to prove $1$ . Since $H$ is a Hilbert space , then it must be a $T_1$ space , so $X$ is closed . Let $X'$ denote the closure of ${f_n }$ , so $X' subset X$ is also a compact set . And the collection of ball $B_{2^{-n}}(f_n)$ covering $X'$ , so that by $2$ , we have a finite subcovering . Notice that there are infinite many elements of ${f_n}$ in some ball $B_{2^{-N}}(f_N)$ . Let $f_{n_1} = f_N$ and we say that $f_{k_2},...,f_{k_n},..$ are the elements in $B_{2^{-N}}(f_{n_1})$ . We can proceed by the same way to find a sequence $f_{n_1} ,..., f_{n_k},...$ and they form a Cauchy sequence . By the completeness of Hilbert space , we then conclude the proof .
The question is how to use $1$ to prove $2$ . I have seen a hint here . Suppose there is family of open sets $O_1,ldots,O_n,ldots$ such that $X subset cup O_n$ but there is no finite subcovering. Construct the sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n in X setminus bigcup_{i=1}^n O_i $ , then we can find a subsequence ${x_{n_k} }$ and for some $N$ , each $x_{n_k} notin O_N$ while ${x_{n_k} }$ converges to an element $x in O_N$ . But how to deal with this next ?
For the proof above, we see that we only assume $H$ is a complete metric space. Does the conclusion valid when $H$ is a metric space (might not be complete).
Or more generally , does the conclusion still valid when $H$ is just a topology space . Here definition $1$ is :
for any sequence ${ f_n}$ in $X$ , there exist $f in X$ such that for every open set containing $f$ , it also contains at least one element $f_k$
real-analysis general-topology hilbert-spaces
real-analysis general-topology hilbert-spaces
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This is in a million texts on basic real analysis.
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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– csprun
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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– zhw.
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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This is in a million texts on basic real analysis.
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– zhw.
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This is in a million texts on basic real analysis.
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– zhw.
Jan 25 at 23:33
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
Jan 25 at 23:41
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
Jan 25 at 23:41
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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– csprun
Jan 26 at 17:25
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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– csprun
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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– J.Guo
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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To finish your argument for (1) implies (2), we pick $x_n in Xsetminus cup_{i=1}^n O_i$, then let $(y_n)$ be a subsequence of $(x_n)$ which converges to $yin X$. Since the $O_i$ are an open cover of $X$, there is some $N$ so that $yin O_N$. But there are infinitely many $y_n notin O_N$, which is impossible: if $(y_n)to y$, then for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there must be some $m$ so that for $nge m$, we have $y_nin U$.
To prove that (2) implies (1) without completeness, let me define a limit point of $Y={f_n}$: a point $zin H$ is a limit point of $Y$ if for every open neighborhood $U$ of $z$, we have that $(Usetminus {z}) cap Y ne emptyset$. It's easy to show that in any topological space, the closure of a set $Y$ is equal to $Y$ along with the limit points of $Y$. Moreover, if $z$ is a limit point of $Y = {f_n}$, then it's easy to show that there is a subsequence of $(f_n)$ which converges to $z$: pick $n_1inmathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_1} in (B_{1}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, then let $delta_1 = mbox{dist}(z,f_{n_1})$ and pick $n_2in mathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_2} in (B_{delta_1/2}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, and so on. This subsequence $(f_{n_k})$ converges to $z$. So now, as you say, this closure, which you called $X'$, is compact. If $X'$ contains any limit points of $Y$, then we're done. Otherwise, $X' = Y$ and there are no limit points of $Y$. Thus, for each $ninmathbb{N}$, there is an open neighborhood $U_n$ of $f_n$ with $Ycap U_n = {f_n}$. Now the $U_n$ form an open cover of $Y$ with no finite subcover.
You're right! We didn't use much about the Hilbert space $H$. It's true for all metric spaces. Though you should change your second definition of compactness to
For any sequence $(x_n)$ in $X$, there is some a subsequence $(y_n)$ and some $yin X$ such that for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there is some $min mathbb{N}$ so that if $nge m$, then $y_nin U$.
It's not true for all topological spaces. Not even for Hausdorff topological spaces.
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To finish your argument for (1) implies (2), we pick $x_n in Xsetminus cup_{i=1}^n O_i$, then let $(y_n)$ be a subsequence of $(x_n)$ which converges to $yin X$. Since the $O_i$ are an open cover of $X$, there is some $N$ so that $yin O_N$. But there are infinitely many $y_n notin O_N$, which is impossible: if $(y_n)to y$, then for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there must be some $m$ so that for $nge m$, we have $y_nin U$.
To prove that (2) implies (1) without completeness, let me define a limit point of $Y={f_n}$: a point $zin H$ is a limit point of $Y$ if for every open neighborhood $U$ of $z$, we have that $(Usetminus {z}) cap Y ne emptyset$. It's easy to show that in any topological space, the closure of a set $Y$ is equal to $Y$ along with the limit points of $Y$. Moreover, if $z$ is a limit point of $Y = {f_n}$, then it's easy to show that there is a subsequence of $(f_n)$ which converges to $z$: pick $n_1inmathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_1} in (B_{1}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, then let $delta_1 = mbox{dist}(z,f_{n_1})$ and pick $n_2in mathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_2} in (B_{delta_1/2}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, and so on. This subsequence $(f_{n_k})$ converges to $z$. So now, as you say, this closure, which you called $X'$, is compact. If $X'$ contains any limit points of $Y$, then we're done. Otherwise, $X' = Y$ and there are no limit points of $Y$. Thus, for each $ninmathbb{N}$, there is an open neighborhood $U_n$ of $f_n$ with $Ycap U_n = {f_n}$. Now the $U_n$ form an open cover of $Y$ with no finite subcover.
You're right! We didn't use much about the Hilbert space $H$. It's true for all metric spaces. Though you should change your second definition of compactness to
For any sequence $(x_n)$ in $X$, there is some a subsequence $(y_n)$ and some $yin X$ such that for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there is some $min mathbb{N}$ so that if $nge m$, then $y_nin U$.
It's not true for all topological spaces. Not even for Hausdorff topological spaces.
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To finish your argument for (1) implies (2), we pick $x_n in Xsetminus cup_{i=1}^n O_i$, then let $(y_n)$ be a subsequence of $(x_n)$ which converges to $yin X$. Since the $O_i$ are an open cover of $X$, there is some $N$ so that $yin O_N$. But there are infinitely many $y_n notin O_N$, which is impossible: if $(y_n)to y$, then for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there must be some $m$ so that for $nge m$, we have $y_nin U$.
To prove that (2) implies (1) without completeness, let me define a limit point of $Y={f_n}$: a point $zin H$ is a limit point of $Y$ if for every open neighborhood $U$ of $z$, we have that $(Usetminus {z}) cap Y ne emptyset$. It's easy to show that in any topological space, the closure of a set $Y$ is equal to $Y$ along with the limit points of $Y$. Moreover, if $z$ is a limit point of $Y = {f_n}$, then it's easy to show that there is a subsequence of $(f_n)$ which converges to $z$: pick $n_1inmathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_1} in (B_{1}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, then let $delta_1 = mbox{dist}(z,f_{n_1})$ and pick $n_2in mathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_2} in (B_{delta_1/2}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, and so on. This subsequence $(f_{n_k})$ converges to $z$. So now, as you say, this closure, which you called $X'$, is compact. If $X'$ contains any limit points of $Y$, then we're done. Otherwise, $X' = Y$ and there are no limit points of $Y$. Thus, for each $ninmathbb{N}$, there is an open neighborhood $U_n$ of $f_n$ with $Ycap U_n = {f_n}$. Now the $U_n$ form an open cover of $Y$ with no finite subcover.
You're right! We didn't use much about the Hilbert space $H$. It's true for all metric spaces. Though you should change your second definition of compactness to
For any sequence $(x_n)$ in $X$, there is some a subsequence $(y_n)$ and some $yin X$ such that for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there is some $min mathbb{N}$ so that if $nge m$, then $y_nin U$.
It's not true for all topological spaces. Not even for Hausdorff topological spaces.
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To finish your argument for (1) implies (2), we pick $x_n in Xsetminus cup_{i=1}^n O_i$, then let $(y_n)$ be a subsequence of $(x_n)$ which converges to $yin X$. Since the $O_i$ are an open cover of $X$, there is some $N$ so that $yin O_N$. But there are infinitely many $y_n notin O_N$, which is impossible: if $(y_n)to y$, then for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there must be some $m$ so that for $nge m$, we have $y_nin U$.
To prove that (2) implies (1) without completeness, let me define a limit point of $Y={f_n}$: a point $zin H$ is a limit point of $Y$ if for every open neighborhood $U$ of $z$, we have that $(Usetminus {z}) cap Y ne emptyset$. It's easy to show that in any topological space, the closure of a set $Y$ is equal to $Y$ along with the limit points of $Y$. Moreover, if $z$ is a limit point of $Y = {f_n}$, then it's easy to show that there is a subsequence of $(f_n)$ which converges to $z$: pick $n_1inmathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_1} in (B_{1}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, then let $delta_1 = mbox{dist}(z,f_{n_1})$ and pick $n_2in mathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_2} in (B_{delta_1/2}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, and so on. This subsequence $(f_{n_k})$ converges to $z$. So now, as you say, this closure, which you called $X'$, is compact. If $X'$ contains any limit points of $Y$, then we're done. Otherwise, $X' = Y$ and there are no limit points of $Y$. Thus, for each $ninmathbb{N}$, there is an open neighborhood $U_n$ of $f_n$ with $Ycap U_n = {f_n}$. Now the $U_n$ form an open cover of $Y$ with no finite subcover.
You're right! We didn't use much about the Hilbert space $H$. It's true for all metric spaces. Though you should change your second definition of compactness to
For any sequence $(x_n)$ in $X$, there is some a subsequence $(y_n)$ and some $yin X$ such that for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there is some $min mathbb{N}$ so that if $nge m$, then $y_nin U$.
It's not true for all topological spaces. Not even for Hausdorff topological spaces.
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To finish your argument for (1) implies (2), we pick $x_n in Xsetminus cup_{i=1}^n O_i$, then let $(y_n)$ be a subsequence of $(x_n)$ which converges to $yin X$. Since the $O_i$ are an open cover of $X$, there is some $N$ so that $yin O_N$. But there are infinitely many $y_n notin O_N$, which is impossible: if $(y_n)to y$, then for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there must be some $m$ so that for $nge m$, we have $y_nin U$.
To prove that (2) implies (1) without completeness, let me define a limit point of $Y={f_n}$: a point $zin H$ is a limit point of $Y$ if for every open neighborhood $U$ of $z$, we have that $(Usetminus {z}) cap Y ne emptyset$. It's easy to show that in any topological space, the closure of a set $Y$ is equal to $Y$ along with the limit points of $Y$. Moreover, if $z$ is a limit point of $Y = {f_n}$, then it's easy to show that there is a subsequence of $(f_n)$ which converges to $z$: pick $n_1inmathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_1} in (B_{1}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, then let $delta_1 = mbox{dist}(z,f_{n_1})$ and pick $n_2in mathbb{N}$ so that $f_{n_2} in (B_{delta_1/2}(z)setminus {z}) cap Y$, and so on. This subsequence $(f_{n_k})$ converges to $z$. So now, as you say, this closure, which you called $X'$, is compact. If $X'$ contains any limit points of $Y$, then we're done. Otherwise, $X' = Y$ and there are no limit points of $Y$. Thus, for each $ninmathbb{N}$, there is an open neighborhood $U_n$ of $f_n$ with $Ycap U_n = {f_n}$. Now the $U_n$ form an open cover of $Y$ with no finite subcover.
You're right! We didn't use much about the Hilbert space $H$. It's true for all metric spaces. Though you should change your second definition of compactness to
For any sequence $(x_n)$ in $X$, there is some a subsequence $(y_n)$ and some $yin X$ such that for any open neighborhood $U$ of $y$, there is some $min mathbb{N}$ so that if $nge m$, then $y_nin U$.
It's not true for all topological spaces. Not even for Hausdorff topological spaces.
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This is in a million texts on basic real analysis.
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– zhw.
Jan 25 at 23:33
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@zhw In my text book , the author only states the first one , so I want to learn the relationship between these two definitions .
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– J.Guo
Jan 25 at 23:41
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@J.Guo I added a paragraph to show you how to do (2) implies (1) without completeness of the space!
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– csprun
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@csprun I see . I think if there exist an infinite set no limit point , we can construct a countable closed set ${f_n }$ . And we let $A_n$ denote ${x_n , x_{n+1} ,... }$ , then by the finite intersection property we can also complete our proof .
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– J.Guo
Jan 27 at 0:45