Change of base in $R^2$
In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:
Given the base vectors
$$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
-1 \
1
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
1 \
1
end{pmatrix} } $$
and a second set of base vectors:
$$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
1 \
2
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
2 \
3
end{pmatrix} } $$
give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.
The official solution is:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
-5 & 1 \
-3 & -1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)
The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.
This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
5 & -1 \
-3 & 1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).
Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?
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In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:
Given the base vectors
$$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
-1 \
1
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
1 \
1
end{pmatrix} } $$
and a second set of base vectors:
$$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
1 \
2
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
2 \
3
end{pmatrix} } $$
give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.
The official solution is:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
-5 & 1 \
-3 & -1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)
The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.
This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
5 & -1 \
-3 & 1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).
Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?
linear-algebra change-of-basis
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In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:
Given the base vectors
$$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
-1 \
1
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
1 \
1
end{pmatrix} } $$
and a second set of base vectors:
$$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
1 \
2
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
2 \
3
end{pmatrix} } $$
give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.
The official solution is:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
-5 & 1 \
-3 & -1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)
The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.
This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
5 & -1 \
-3 & 1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).
Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?
linear-algebra change-of-basis
In the official solution of an university exam I see the following question:
Given the base vectors
$$ B = { begin{pmatrix}
-1 \
1
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
1 \
1
end{pmatrix} } $$
and a second set of base vectors:
$$ B^* = { begin{pmatrix}
1 \
2
end{pmatrix} , begin{pmatrix}
2 \
3
end{pmatrix} } $$
give the equations of the change from B to B* basis and apply it to vector of components (3,-1) in B basis.
The official solution is:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
-5 & 1 \
-3 & -1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* basis is (-16,-8)
The method has been to place side by side the two matrices and apply some row multiplication and additions till make diagonal first one.
This result surprises me. If I call T the matrix formed by the base vectors in B and $T^*$ the one for $B^*$, I think the result should be ${(T^*)}^{-1}T$, by the simple logic of first T to pass to cartesian coordinates and back to B^* with the inverse of its matrix. That gives me a result of:
$$ C(B,B^*) = begin{pmatrix}
5 & -1 \
-3 & 1
end{pmatrix} $$
and vector in B* equal to (16,-10).
Please, could you help me to known which one is the correct solution?
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Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.
Indeed, we have
$$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
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You're right and the official solution is wrong.
The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
$$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates.
The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.
The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates. Confirmed.
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The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.
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Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.
Indeed, we have
$$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
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Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.
Indeed, we have
$$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
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Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.
Indeed, we have
$$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
Your solution is correct. You can tell because the columns of the change of basis matrix should give the coordinates of the basis elements in $B$ in terms of the basis $B^{*}$.
Indeed, we have
$$begin{pmatrix}-1\ 1end{pmatrix}=5begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}-3begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$begin{pmatrix}1\ 1end{pmatrix}=-begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix}+begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}$$
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You're right and the official solution is wrong.
The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
$$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates.
The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.
The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates. Confirmed.
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You're right and the official solution is wrong.
The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
$$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates.
The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.
The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates. Confirmed.
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You're right and the official solution is wrong.
The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
$$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates.
The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.
The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates. Confirmed.
You're right and the official solution is wrong.
The vector with components $3$ and $-1$ with respect to $B$ is
$$3begin{pmatrix}-1\1end{pmatrix} - 1begin{pmatrix}1\1end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates.
The vector with components $-16$ and $-8$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$-16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 8begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-32\-56end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates - definitely not a match.
The vector with components $16$ and $-10$ with respect to $B^*$ is
$$16begin{pmatrix}1\2end{pmatrix} - 10begin{pmatrix}2\3end{pmatrix}= begin{pmatrix}-4\2end{pmatrix}$$
in standard coordinates. Confirmed.
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The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.
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The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.
add a comment |
The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.
The method used in the solution is basically sound. As you say, the change-of-basis matrix should be $(T^*)^{-1}T$, which you can obtain by concatenating the two matrices and row-reducing: $$left[begin{array}{c|c} T^* & T end{array}right] to left[begin{array}{c|c} I & (T^*)^{-1}T end{array}right].$$ Comparing the correct and incorrect results, I would guess that a simple sign error was made somewhere along the way in the given solution.
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