if $f,g$ are linear transformations, find basis of $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) $ and $...
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Task
Given are linear transformations:
$f in L(mathbb R^3, mathbb R[t]_2) $
$$ vec{x} = [x_1,x_2,x_3]^T rightarrow f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2$$
and
$g in L(mathbb R[t]_2,mathbb R^3) $
$$p in mathbb R[t]_2 rightarrow g(p) = [p(-1),p'(0),p(1)]^T $$
Find basis of subspace:
a) $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) $
b) $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
My solution
a)
Take a random polynomial:
$$p(t) = at^2 + bt + c $$
$$p(1) = a + b + c $$
$$p(-1) = a - b +c $$
$$p'(0) = b $$
so $ g(p) = [a-b+c,b,a+b+c]^T $
Ok now we are looking for $ fcirc g $
$$f(g(p)) = 2(a+c)t^2 + b $$
Ok, now I want its kernel:
$$f(g(p)) = 0 leftrightarrow a = - c wedge b = 0$$
so $ker(fcirc g) = operatorname{span}[1,0,-1]^T $
I need also $ operatorname{im}(f)$ so $$ operatorname{im}(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T)$$
but
$$ ([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T,[1,0,-1]^T $$
are linearly independent so $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) = 0 $
b)
Now I am looking for $ operatorname{im}(g circ f)$
$$g(f(vec{x})) = [x_1+x_2+x_3,0,x_1+x_2+x_3]^T = operatorname{span}([1,0,1]^T) = operatorname{im}(g circ f)$$
Now $ker(f)$
$$ f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2 = 0 leftrightarrow x_1 = -x_3 wedge x_2 = 0$$
so
$$ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T)$$
Ok now we are looking for:
$$ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $$
but $[1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T $ are linearly independent so
$ operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $ is a basis of $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
Thanks for your time!
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I have done this task, however, my solutions are suspiciously strange. Could someone verify if my reasoning is okay? Possibly something to advise ...
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Task
Given are linear transformations:
$f in L(mathbb R^3, mathbb R[t]_2) $
$$ vec{x} = [x_1,x_2,x_3]^T rightarrow f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2$$
and
$g in L(mathbb R[t]_2,mathbb R^3) $
$$p in mathbb R[t]_2 rightarrow g(p) = [p(-1),p'(0),p(1)]^T $$
Find basis of subspace:
a) $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) $
b) $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
My solution
a)
Take a random polynomial:
$$p(t) = at^2 + bt + c $$
$$p(1) = a + b + c $$
$$p(-1) = a - b +c $$
$$p'(0) = b $$
so $ g(p) = [a-b+c,b,a+b+c]^T $
Ok now we are looking for $ fcirc g $
$$f(g(p)) = 2(a+c)t^2 + b $$
Ok, now I want its kernel:
$$f(g(p)) = 0 leftrightarrow a = - c wedge b = 0$$
so $ker(fcirc g) = operatorname{span}[1,0,-1]^T $
I need also $ operatorname{im}(f)$ so $$ operatorname{im}(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T)$$
but
$$ ([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T,[1,0,-1]^T $$
are linearly independent so $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) = 0 $
b)
Now I am looking for $ operatorname{im}(g circ f)$
$$g(f(vec{x})) = [x_1+x_2+x_3,0,x_1+x_2+x_3]^T = operatorname{span}([1,0,1]^T) = operatorname{im}(g circ f)$$
Now $ker(f)$
$$ f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2 = 0 leftrightarrow x_1 = -x_3 wedge x_2 = 0$$
so
$$ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T)$$
Ok now we are looking for:
$$ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $$
but $[1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T $ are linearly independent so
$ operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $ is a basis of $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
Thanks for your time!
linear-algebra functions proof-verification linear-transformations
I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago
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I have done this task, however, my solutions are suspiciously strange. Could someone verify if my reasoning is okay? Possibly something to advise ...
If all is ok (I hope), this post would be nice pattern for future visitors
Task
Given are linear transformations:
$f in L(mathbb R^3, mathbb R[t]_2) $
$$ vec{x} = [x_1,x_2,x_3]^T rightarrow f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2$$
and
$g in L(mathbb R[t]_2,mathbb R^3) $
$$p in mathbb R[t]_2 rightarrow g(p) = [p(-1),p'(0),p(1)]^T $$
Find basis of subspace:
a) $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) $
b) $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
My solution
a)
Take a random polynomial:
$$p(t) = at^2 + bt + c $$
$$p(1) = a + b + c $$
$$p(-1) = a - b +c $$
$$p'(0) = b $$
so $ g(p) = [a-b+c,b,a+b+c]^T $
Ok now we are looking for $ fcirc g $
$$f(g(p)) = 2(a+c)t^2 + b $$
Ok, now I want its kernel:
$$f(g(p)) = 0 leftrightarrow a = - c wedge b = 0$$
so $ker(fcirc g) = operatorname{span}[1,0,-1]^T $
I need also $ operatorname{im}(f)$ so $$ operatorname{im}(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T)$$
but
$$ ([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T,[1,0,-1]^T $$
are linearly independent so $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) = 0 $
b)
Now I am looking for $ operatorname{im}(g circ f)$
$$g(f(vec{x})) = [x_1+x_2+x_3,0,x_1+x_2+x_3]^T = operatorname{span}([1,0,1]^T) = operatorname{im}(g circ f)$$
Now $ker(f)$
$$ f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2 = 0 leftrightarrow x_1 = -x_3 wedge x_2 = 0$$
so
$$ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T)$$
Ok now we are looking for:
$$ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $$
but $[1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T $ are linearly independent so
$ operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $ is a basis of $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
Thanks for your time!
linear-algebra functions proof-verification linear-transformations
I have done this task, however, my solutions are suspiciously strange. Could someone verify if my reasoning is okay? Possibly something to advise ...
If all is ok (I hope), this post would be nice pattern for future visitors
Task
Given are linear transformations:
$f in L(mathbb R^3, mathbb R[t]_2) $
$$ vec{x} = [x_1,x_2,x_3]^T rightarrow f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2$$
and
$g in L(mathbb R[t]_2,mathbb R^3) $
$$p in mathbb R[t]_2 rightarrow g(p) = [p(-1),p'(0),p(1)]^T $$
Find basis of subspace:
a) $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) $
b) $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
My solution
a)
Take a random polynomial:
$$p(t) = at^2 + bt + c $$
$$p(1) = a + b + c $$
$$p(-1) = a - b +c $$
$$p'(0) = b $$
so $ g(p) = [a-b+c,b,a+b+c]^T $
Ok now we are looking for $ fcirc g $
$$f(g(p)) = 2(a+c)t^2 + b $$
Ok, now I want its kernel:
$$f(g(p)) = 0 leftrightarrow a = - c wedge b = 0$$
so $ker(fcirc g) = operatorname{span}[1,0,-1]^T $
I need also $ operatorname{im}(f)$ so $$ operatorname{im}(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T)$$
but
$$ ([1,0,0]^T,[0,1,0]^T,[1,0,-1]^T $$
are linearly independent so $ operatorname{im}(f) cap ker(f circ g) = 0 $
b)
Now I am looking for $ operatorname{im}(g circ f)$
$$g(f(vec{x})) = [x_1+x_2+x_3,0,x_1+x_2+x_3]^T = operatorname{span}([1,0,1]^T) = operatorname{im}(g circ f)$$
Now $ker(f)$
$$ f(vec{x})(t)=(x_1+x_3)t^2 + x_2 = 0 leftrightarrow x_1 = -x_3 wedge x_2 = 0$$
so
$$ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T)$$
Ok now we are looking for:
$$ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) = operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $$
but $[1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T $ are linearly independent so
$ operatorname{span}([1,0,-1]^T,[1,0,1]^T) $ is a basis of $ operatorname{im}(g circ f) + ker(f) $
Thanks for your time!
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I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago
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I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago
I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago
I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago
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$$f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(x_1+x_3)t^2+x_2=k_1t^2+k_2$$ So $text{Im}(f)$ is spanned by ${1,x^2}={(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}$. Clearly, $ker(fcirc g)=text{span}{(1,0,-1)}subsettext{span}{(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}=text{Im}(f)$, so the answer to part $(a)$ is $ker(fcirc g)$.
Answer to part $(b)$ is correct.
Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
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One thing I learned early: the usual terminology here is an 'arbitary' polynomial rather than a 'random' one. 'Random' implies you want to bring in probability/measure theory, which you don't.
Now onto more serious matters. It is important that when talking about $ker(f circ g)$ and $im(f)$ you recognise the space they actually live in, which is $mathbb{R}[t]_2$. Your answers aren't in $mathbb{R}[t]_2$ but $mathbb{R}^3$, so they fail to answer the question and also cause confusion. It is vital that we correct your results to be subsets of the space they should be. For instance...
$im(f)= {ax^2+b|a,b in mathbb{R}}$, for instance. Can you do the same for $ker (f circ g)$?
For the second question, can you identify $im(g circ f)$ and $ker(f)$ as subspaces of $mathbb{R}^3$?
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
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$$f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(x_1+x_3)t^2+x_2=k_1t^2+k_2$$ So $text{Im}(f)$ is spanned by ${1,x^2}={(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}$. Clearly, $ker(fcirc g)=text{span}{(1,0,-1)}subsettext{span}{(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}=text{Im}(f)$, so the answer to part $(a)$ is $ker(fcirc g)$.
Answer to part $(b)$ is correct.
Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
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$$f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(x_1+x_3)t^2+x_2=k_1t^2+k_2$$ So $text{Im}(f)$ is spanned by ${1,x^2}={(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}$. Clearly, $ker(fcirc g)=text{span}{(1,0,-1)}subsettext{span}{(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}=text{Im}(f)$, so the answer to part $(a)$ is $ker(fcirc g)$.
Answer to part $(b)$ is correct.
Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
add a comment |
$$f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(x_1+x_3)t^2+x_2=k_1t^2+k_2$$ So $text{Im}(f)$ is spanned by ${1,x^2}={(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}$. Clearly, $ker(fcirc g)=text{span}{(1,0,-1)}subsettext{span}{(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}=text{Im}(f)$, so the answer to part $(a)$ is $ker(fcirc g)$.
Answer to part $(b)$ is correct.
$$f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(x_1+x_3)t^2+x_2=k_1t^2+k_2$$ So $text{Im}(f)$ is spanned by ${1,x^2}={(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}$. Clearly, $ker(fcirc g)=text{span}{(1,0,-1)}subsettext{span}{(1,0,0),(0,0,1)}=text{Im}(f)$, so the answer to part $(a)$ is $ker(fcirc g)$.
Answer to part $(b)$ is correct.
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Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
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Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
– VirtualUser
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Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
– VirtualUser
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Ah, thanks for checking! ;)
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One thing I learned early: the usual terminology here is an 'arbitary' polynomial rather than a 'random' one. 'Random' implies you want to bring in probability/measure theory, which you don't.
Now onto more serious matters. It is important that when talking about $ker(f circ g)$ and $im(f)$ you recognise the space they actually live in, which is $mathbb{R}[t]_2$. Your answers aren't in $mathbb{R}[t]_2$ but $mathbb{R}^3$, so they fail to answer the question and also cause confusion. It is vital that we correct your results to be subsets of the space they should be. For instance...
$im(f)= {ax^2+b|a,b in mathbb{R}}$, for instance. Can you do the same for $ker (f circ g)$?
For the second question, can you identify $im(g circ f)$ and $ker(f)$ as subspaces of $mathbb{R}^3$?
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
add a comment |
One thing I learned early: the usual terminology here is an 'arbitary' polynomial rather than a 'random' one. 'Random' implies you want to bring in probability/measure theory, which you don't.
Now onto more serious matters. It is important that when talking about $ker(f circ g)$ and $im(f)$ you recognise the space they actually live in, which is $mathbb{R}[t]_2$. Your answers aren't in $mathbb{R}[t]_2$ but $mathbb{R}^3$, so they fail to answer the question and also cause confusion. It is vital that we correct your results to be subsets of the space they should be. For instance...
$im(f)= {ax^2+b|a,b in mathbb{R}}$, for instance. Can you do the same for $ker (f circ g)$?
For the second question, can you identify $im(g circ f)$ and $ker(f)$ as subspaces of $mathbb{R}^3$?
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
add a comment |
One thing I learned early: the usual terminology here is an 'arbitary' polynomial rather than a 'random' one. 'Random' implies you want to bring in probability/measure theory, which you don't.
Now onto more serious matters. It is important that when talking about $ker(f circ g)$ and $im(f)$ you recognise the space they actually live in, which is $mathbb{R}[t]_2$. Your answers aren't in $mathbb{R}[t]_2$ but $mathbb{R}^3$, so they fail to answer the question and also cause confusion. It is vital that we correct your results to be subsets of the space they should be. For instance...
$im(f)= {ax^2+b|a,b in mathbb{R}}$, for instance. Can you do the same for $ker (f circ g)$?
For the second question, can you identify $im(g circ f)$ and $ker(f)$ as subspaces of $mathbb{R}^3$?
One thing I learned early: the usual terminology here is an 'arbitary' polynomial rather than a 'random' one. 'Random' implies you want to bring in probability/measure theory, which you don't.
Now onto more serious matters. It is important that when talking about $ker(f circ g)$ and $im(f)$ you recognise the space they actually live in, which is $mathbb{R}[t]_2$. Your answers aren't in $mathbb{R}[t]_2$ but $mathbb{R}^3$, so they fail to answer the question and also cause confusion. It is vital that we correct your results to be subsets of the space they should be. For instance...
$im(f)= {ax^2+b|a,b in mathbb{R}}$, for instance. Can you do the same for $ker (f circ g)$?
For the second question, can you identify $im(g circ f)$ and $ker(f)$ as subspaces of $mathbb{R}^3$?
answered 2 days ago
ChessanatorChessanator
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Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
add a comment |
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
Yes, I've just done that in my solution
– VirtualUser
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
@Chessanator For $(a)$, the basis vectors are $1=(1,0,0),x=(0,1,0),x^2=(0,0,1)$. The notation might be confusing but it is not wrong.
– Shubham Johri
2 days ago
add a comment |
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I think you meant to write that $gin L(mathbb R[t]_2, mathbb R^3)$. Otherwise the compositions (and the way $g$ was defined) don't make sense.
– Math1000
2 days ago