Is there a trick to solve $int_{-1}^1 frac{P(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=a[P(x_1)+P(x_2)+P(x_3)]$?












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I found this question in some old exam:




Find 4 reals $a, x_1, x_2, x_3$ such that the equality
$$int_{-1}^1 frac{P(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=a[P(x_1)+P(x_2)+P(x_3)]$$
is true for all polynomial with degree less or equal 3.




My problem is not to compute these reals for a particular example but rather I didn't understand the idea behind this equality. In fact there is a similar question in this exam to prove that $int_{-1}^1 frac{f(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=frac{pi}{3}[f(x_1)+f(x_2)+f(x_3)]$ for all polynomial $f$ with degree less or equal 5; this what make me sure that there is a trick behind these issues. Is there any explanation?










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    I found this question in some old exam:




    Find 4 reals $a, x_1, x_2, x_3$ such that the equality
    $$int_{-1}^1 frac{P(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=a[P(x_1)+P(x_2)+P(x_3)]$$
    is true for all polynomial with degree less or equal 3.




    My problem is not to compute these reals for a particular example but rather I didn't understand the idea behind this equality. In fact there is a similar question in this exam to prove that $int_{-1}^1 frac{f(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=frac{pi}{3}[f(x_1)+f(x_2)+f(x_3)]$ for all polynomial $f$ with degree less or equal 5; this what make me sure that there is a trick behind these issues. Is there any explanation?










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      I found this question in some old exam:




      Find 4 reals $a, x_1, x_2, x_3$ such that the equality
      $$int_{-1}^1 frac{P(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=a[P(x_1)+P(x_2)+P(x_3)]$$
      is true for all polynomial with degree less or equal 3.




      My problem is not to compute these reals for a particular example but rather I didn't understand the idea behind this equality. In fact there is a similar question in this exam to prove that $int_{-1}^1 frac{f(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=frac{pi}{3}[f(x_1)+f(x_2)+f(x_3)]$ for all polynomial $f$ with degree less or equal 5; this what make me sure that there is a trick behind these issues. Is there any explanation?










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      I found this question in some old exam:




      Find 4 reals $a, x_1, x_2, x_3$ such that the equality
      $$int_{-1}^1 frac{P(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=a[P(x_1)+P(x_2)+P(x_3)]$$
      is true for all polynomial with degree less or equal 3.




      My problem is not to compute these reals for a particular example but rather I didn't understand the idea behind this equality. In fact there is a similar question in this exam to prove that $int_{-1}^1 frac{f(t)}{sqrt{1-t^2}}{rm d}t=frac{pi}{3}[f(x_1)+f(x_2)+f(x_3)]$ for all polynomial $f$ with degree less or equal 5; this what make me sure that there is a trick behind these issues. Is there any explanation?







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          This probably has something to do with Chebyshev polynomials.
          begin{align}
          T_0(x)=& 1\
          T_1(x)=& x\
          T_{n+1}(x)=& 2xT_n(x)-T_{n-1}hspace{1em} forall ngeq 1
          end{align}



          These polynomials have orthogonality property with $1/sqrt{1-x^2}$ as weight.
          $$int_{-1}^{1}T_n(x)T_m(x)frac{1}{sqrt{1-x^2}},text{d}x=
          leftlbrace
          begin{array}{ll}
          0 & mneq n\
          pi & m=n=0\
          pi/2 & m=nneq 0
          end{array}
          right.$$



          For example, in a third order polynomial, $1=T_0(x)T_0(x)$, $x=T_1(x)T_0(x)$, $x^2=T_1(x)T_1(x)$ and $x^3=0.5T_1(x)times(T_2(x)+T_0(x))$.



          P.S. I am not allowed to comment given my reputation and hence am posting this as an answer; although, this should have been a comment.



          Edit



          These polynomials also satisfy what is called "discrete orthogonality" (see this). If $x_i$ are the roots of $T_n(x)$, then for $0leq p,qleq n-1$, the following holds.
          begin{align}
          sum_i T_p(x_i)T_q(x_i)=leftlbrace
          begin{array}{ll}
          0 & pneq q\
          n & p=q=0\
          n/2 & p=qneq 0\
          end{array}
          right.
          end{align}



          With this property, I think the question is solved. Let $P_n(x)$ be any $n$-th order polynomial. Then, $P_n(x)$ can be expanded using the Chebyshev polynomial basis.
          $$P_n(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)T_0(x)$$



          By orthogonality, as already pointed out in the comments,
          $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)T_0(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0$$



          Now, suppose $x_j$, $0leq jleq n-1$ represent roots of $T_n(x)$. Then,
          $$sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)=sum_{j=0}^{n-1}sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i sum_{j=0}^{n-1} T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=nb_0$$



          The last equality follows from discrete orthogonality. Summing up, we have
          $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0=(pi/n) sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)$$






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            Note that $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$ is, by symmetry, equal to $int_{-1}^{1}frac{bt^2+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$. This evaluates to $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d)$. Now we set the first constant to $frac{pi}{2} k$ and try $x_1=0, x_2=z$ and $x_3=-z$, again to exploit the symmetry of the polynomial. The equality the becomes $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d) = pi kbz^2+frac{3}{2}pi kd$. Comparing coefficients you should get $k=frac{2}{3}$ and $z=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}$.
            So we have $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = frac{pi}{3}[P(-frac{sqrt{3}}{2})+P(0)+P(frac{sqrt{3}}{2})]$.



            Surely this is not the most elegant solution but it works just fine for degree 3 or 5 polynomials.






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              This probably has something to do with Chebyshev polynomials.
              begin{align}
              T_0(x)=& 1\
              T_1(x)=& x\
              T_{n+1}(x)=& 2xT_n(x)-T_{n-1}hspace{1em} forall ngeq 1
              end{align}



              These polynomials have orthogonality property with $1/sqrt{1-x^2}$ as weight.
              $$int_{-1}^{1}T_n(x)T_m(x)frac{1}{sqrt{1-x^2}},text{d}x=
              leftlbrace
              begin{array}{ll}
              0 & mneq n\
              pi & m=n=0\
              pi/2 & m=nneq 0
              end{array}
              right.$$



              For example, in a third order polynomial, $1=T_0(x)T_0(x)$, $x=T_1(x)T_0(x)$, $x^2=T_1(x)T_1(x)$ and $x^3=0.5T_1(x)times(T_2(x)+T_0(x))$.



              P.S. I am not allowed to comment given my reputation and hence am posting this as an answer; although, this should have been a comment.



              Edit



              These polynomials also satisfy what is called "discrete orthogonality" (see this). If $x_i$ are the roots of $T_n(x)$, then for $0leq p,qleq n-1$, the following holds.
              begin{align}
              sum_i T_p(x_i)T_q(x_i)=leftlbrace
              begin{array}{ll}
              0 & pneq q\
              n & p=q=0\
              n/2 & p=qneq 0\
              end{array}
              right.
              end{align}



              With this property, I think the question is solved. Let $P_n(x)$ be any $n$-th order polynomial. Then, $P_n(x)$ can be expanded using the Chebyshev polynomial basis.
              $$P_n(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)T_0(x)$$



              By orthogonality, as already pointed out in the comments,
              $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)T_0(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0$$



              Now, suppose $x_j$, $0leq jleq n-1$ represent roots of $T_n(x)$. Then,
              $$sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)=sum_{j=0}^{n-1}sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i sum_{j=0}^{n-1} T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=nb_0$$



              The last equality follows from discrete orthogonality. Summing up, we have
              $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0=(pi/n) sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)$$






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                This probably has something to do with Chebyshev polynomials.
                begin{align}
                T_0(x)=& 1\
                T_1(x)=& x\
                T_{n+1}(x)=& 2xT_n(x)-T_{n-1}hspace{1em} forall ngeq 1
                end{align}



                These polynomials have orthogonality property with $1/sqrt{1-x^2}$ as weight.
                $$int_{-1}^{1}T_n(x)T_m(x)frac{1}{sqrt{1-x^2}},text{d}x=
                leftlbrace
                begin{array}{ll}
                0 & mneq n\
                pi & m=n=0\
                pi/2 & m=nneq 0
                end{array}
                right.$$



                For example, in a third order polynomial, $1=T_0(x)T_0(x)$, $x=T_1(x)T_0(x)$, $x^2=T_1(x)T_1(x)$ and $x^3=0.5T_1(x)times(T_2(x)+T_0(x))$.



                P.S. I am not allowed to comment given my reputation and hence am posting this as an answer; although, this should have been a comment.



                Edit



                These polynomials also satisfy what is called "discrete orthogonality" (see this). If $x_i$ are the roots of $T_n(x)$, then for $0leq p,qleq n-1$, the following holds.
                begin{align}
                sum_i T_p(x_i)T_q(x_i)=leftlbrace
                begin{array}{ll}
                0 & pneq q\
                n & p=q=0\
                n/2 & p=qneq 0\
                end{array}
                right.
                end{align}



                With this property, I think the question is solved. Let $P_n(x)$ be any $n$-th order polynomial. Then, $P_n(x)$ can be expanded using the Chebyshev polynomial basis.
                $$P_n(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)T_0(x)$$



                By orthogonality, as already pointed out in the comments,
                $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)T_0(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0$$



                Now, suppose $x_j$, $0leq jleq n-1$ represent roots of $T_n(x)$. Then,
                $$sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)=sum_{j=0}^{n-1}sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i sum_{j=0}^{n-1} T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=nb_0$$



                The last equality follows from discrete orthogonality. Summing up, we have
                $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0=(pi/n) sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)$$






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                  This probably has something to do with Chebyshev polynomials.
                  begin{align}
                  T_0(x)=& 1\
                  T_1(x)=& x\
                  T_{n+1}(x)=& 2xT_n(x)-T_{n-1}hspace{1em} forall ngeq 1
                  end{align}



                  These polynomials have orthogonality property with $1/sqrt{1-x^2}$ as weight.
                  $$int_{-1}^{1}T_n(x)T_m(x)frac{1}{sqrt{1-x^2}},text{d}x=
                  leftlbrace
                  begin{array}{ll}
                  0 & mneq n\
                  pi & m=n=0\
                  pi/2 & m=nneq 0
                  end{array}
                  right.$$



                  For example, in a third order polynomial, $1=T_0(x)T_0(x)$, $x=T_1(x)T_0(x)$, $x^2=T_1(x)T_1(x)$ and $x^3=0.5T_1(x)times(T_2(x)+T_0(x))$.



                  P.S. I am not allowed to comment given my reputation and hence am posting this as an answer; although, this should have been a comment.



                  Edit



                  These polynomials also satisfy what is called "discrete orthogonality" (see this). If $x_i$ are the roots of $T_n(x)$, then for $0leq p,qleq n-1$, the following holds.
                  begin{align}
                  sum_i T_p(x_i)T_q(x_i)=leftlbrace
                  begin{array}{ll}
                  0 & pneq q\
                  n & p=q=0\
                  n/2 & p=qneq 0\
                  end{array}
                  right.
                  end{align}



                  With this property, I think the question is solved. Let $P_n(x)$ be any $n$-th order polynomial. Then, $P_n(x)$ can be expanded using the Chebyshev polynomial basis.
                  $$P_n(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)T_0(x)$$



                  By orthogonality, as already pointed out in the comments,
                  $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)T_0(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0$$



                  Now, suppose $x_j$, $0leq jleq n-1$ represent roots of $T_n(x)$. Then,
                  $$sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)=sum_{j=0}^{n-1}sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i sum_{j=0}^{n-1} T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=nb_0$$



                  The last equality follows from discrete orthogonality. Summing up, we have
                  $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0=(pi/n) sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)$$






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                  This probably has something to do with Chebyshev polynomials.
                  begin{align}
                  T_0(x)=& 1\
                  T_1(x)=& x\
                  T_{n+1}(x)=& 2xT_n(x)-T_{n-1}hspace{1em} forall ngeq 1
                  end{align}



                  These polynomials have orthogonality property with $1/sqrt{1-x^2}$ as weight.
                  $$int_{-1}^{1}T_n(x)T_m(x)frac{1}{sqrt{1-x^2}},text{d}x=
                  leftlbrace
                  begin{array}{ll}
                  0 & mneq n\
                  pi & m=n=0\
                  pi/2 & m=nneq 0
                  end{array}
                  right.$$



                  For example, in a third order polynomial, $1=T_0(x)T_0(x)$, $x=T_1(x)T_0(x)$, $x^2=T_1(x)T_1(x)$ and $x^3=0.5T_1(x)times(T_2(x)+T_0(x))$.



                  P.S. I am not allowed to comment given my reputation and hence am posting this as an answer; although, this should have been a comment.



                  Edit



                  These polynomials also satisfy what is called "discrete orthogonality" (see this). If $x_i$ are the roots of $T_n(x)$, then for $0leq p,qleq n-1$, the following holds.
                  begin{align}
                  sum_i T_p(x_i)T_q(x_i)=leftlbrace
                  begin{array}{ll}
                  0 & pneq q\
                  n & p=q=0\
                  n/2 & p=qneq 0\
                  end{array}
                  right.
                  end{align}



                  With this property, I think the question is solved. Let $P_n(x)$ be any $n$-th order polynomial. Then, $P_n(x)$ can be expanded using the Chebyshev polynomial basis.
                  $$P_n(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x)T_0(x)$$



                  By orthogonality, as already pointed out in the comments,
                  $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)T_0(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0$$



                  Now, suppose $x_j$, $0leq jleq n-1$ represent roots of $T_n(x)$. Then,
                  $$sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)=sum_{j=0}^{n-1}sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=sum_{i=0}^{n} b_i sum_{j=0}^{n-1} T_i(x_j)T_0(x_j)=nb_0$$



                  The last equality follows from discrete orthogonality. Summing up, we have
                  $$int_{-1}^{1} frac{P_n(x)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}=pi b_0=(pi/n) sum_{j=0}^{n-1}P_n(x_j)$$







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                      Note that $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$ is, by symmetry, equal to $int_{-1}^{1}frac{bt^2+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$. This evaluates to $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d)$. Now we set the first constant to $frac{pi}{2} k$ and try $x_1=0, x_2=z$ and $x_3=-z$, again to exploit the symmetry of the polynomial. The equality the becomes $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d) = pi kbz^2+frac{3}{2}pi kd$. Comparing coefficients you should get $k=frac{2}{3}$ and $z=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}$.
                      So we have $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = frac{pi}{3}[P(-frac{sqrt{3}}{2})+P(0)+P(frac{sqrt{3}}{2})]$.



                      Surely this is not the most elegant solution but it works just fine for degree 3 or 5 polynomials.






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                        Note that $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$ is, by symmetry, equal to $int_{-1}^{1}frac{bt^2+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$. This evaluates to $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d)$. Now we set the first constant to $frac{pi}{2} k$ and try $x_1=0, x_2=z$ and $x_3=-z$, again to exploit the symmetry of the polynomial. The equality the becomes $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d) = pi kbz^2+frac{3}{2}pi kd$. Comparing coefficients you should get $k=frac{2}{3}$ and $z=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}$.
                        So we have $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = frac{pi}{3}[P(-frac{sqrt{3}}{2})+P(0)+P(frac{sqrt{3}}{2})]$.



                        Surely this is not the most elegant solution but it works just fine for degree 3 or 5 polynomials.






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                          Note that $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$ is, by symmetry, equal to $int_{-1}^{1}frac{bt^2+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$. This evaluates to $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d)$. Now we set the first constant to $frac{pi}{2} k$ and try $x_1=0, x_2=z$ and $x_3=-z$, again to exploit the symmetry of the polynomial. The equality the becomes $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d) = pi kbz^2+frac{3}{2}pi kd$. Comparing coefficients you should get $k=frac{2}{3}$ and $z=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}$.
                          So we have $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = frac{pi}{3}[P(-frac{sqrt{3}}{2})+P(0)+P(frac{sqrt{3}}{2})]$.



                          Surely this is not the most elegant solution but it works just fine for degree 3 or 5 polynomials.






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                          Note that $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$ is, by symmetry, equal to $int_{-1}^{1}frac{bt^2+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt$. This evaluates to $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d)$. Now we set the first constant to $frac{pi}{2} k$ and try $x_1=0, x_2=z$ and $x_3=-z$, again to exploit the symmetry of the polynomial. The equality the becomes $frac{pi}{2}(b+2d) = pi kbz^2+frac{3}{2}pi kd$. Comparing coefficients you should get $k=frac{2}{3}$ and $z=frac{sqrt{3}}{2}$.
                          So we have $int_{-1}^{1}frac{at^3+bt^2+ct+d}{sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = frac{pi}{3}[P(-frac{sqrt{3}}{2})+P(0)+P(frac{sqrt{3}}{2})]$.



                          Surely this is not the most elegant solution but it works just fine for degree 3 or 5 polynomials.







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