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Im looking for which $alphainmathbb{R}$ the integral $int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}$
converges/diverges.
What I was looking for is an appropriate change of variables. I tried
polar coordinates $left(x,yright)=Tleft(r,thetaright)=left(rcostheta,rsinthetaright)$.
So $left|J_{T}left(r,thetaright)right|=r$ and $T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)=left{ left(r,thetaright)mid r>0:,:0<theta<2piright} $
up to a null set. So
$$
int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{rdrdtheta}{left(1+r^{2}+r^{2}sinthetacosthetaright)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{2rdrdtheta}{left(2+r^{2}left(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Then with another change of variables $t=r^{2}$ we get that $dt=2rdr$
and so I got
$$
intfrac{dtdtheta}{left(2+tleft(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Questions:
- Does it help somehow?
- Is there a better change of variables here?
- How can I find the range of $alpha$ that im looking for?
- Is it possible maybe to block the function with and easier one to integral and then use sandwich?
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Im looking for which $alphainmathbb{R}$ the integral $int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}$
converges/diverges.
What I was looking for is an appropriate change of variables. I tried
polar coordinates $left(x,yright)=Tleft(r,thetaright)=left(rcostheta,rsinthetaright)$.
So $left|J_{T}left(r,thetaright)right|=r$ and $T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)=left{ left(r,thetaright)mid r>0:,:0<theta<2piright} $
up to a null set. So
$$
int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{rdrdtheta}{left(1+r^{2}+r^{2}sinthetacosthetaright)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{2rdrdtheta}{left(2+r^{2}left(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Then with another change of variables $t=r^{2}$ we get that $dt=2rdr$
and so I got
$$
intfrac{dtdtheta}{left(2+tleft(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Questions:
- Does it help somehow?
- Is there a better change of variables here?
- How can I find the range of $alpha$ that im looking for?
- Is it possible maybe to block the function with and easier one to integral and then use sandwich?
multivariable-calculus multiple-integral change-of-variable
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
Jan 10 at 8:53
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59
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Im looking for which $alphainmathbb{R}$ the integral $int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}$
converges/diverges.
What I was looking for is an appropriate change of variables. I tried
polar coordinates $left(x,yright)=Tleft(r,thetaright)=left(rcostheta,rsinthetaright)$.
So $left|J_{T}left(r,thetaright)right|=r$ and $T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)=left{ left(r,thetaright)mid r>0:,:0<theta<2piright} $
up to a null set. So
$$
int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{rdrdtheta}{left(1+r^{2}+r^{2}sinthetacosthetaright)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{2rdrdtheta}{left(2+r^{2}left(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Then with another change of variables $t=r^{2}$ we get that $dt=2rdr$
and so I got
$$
intfrac{dtdtheta}{left(2+tleft(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Questions:
- Does it help somehow?
- Is there a better change of variables here?
- How can I find the range of $alpha$ that im looking for?
- Is it possible maybe to block the function with and easier one to integral and then use sandwich?
multivariable-calculus multiple-integral change-of-variable
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Im looking for which $alphainmathbb{R}$ the integral $int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}$
converges/diverges.
What I was looking for is an appropriate change of variables. I tried
polar coordinates $left(x,yright)=Tleft(r,thetaright)=left(rcostheta,rsinthetaright)$.
So $left|J_{T}left(r,thetaright)right|=r$ and $T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)=left{ left(r,thetaright)mid r>0:,:0<theta<2piright} $
up to a null set. So
$$
int_{mathbb{R}^{2}}frac{dxdy}{left(1+x^{2}+xy+y^{2}right)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{rdrdtheta}{left(1+r^{2}+r^{2}sinthetacosthetaright)^{alpha}}=int_{T^{-1}left(mathbb{R}^{2}right)}frac{2rdrdtheta}{left(2+r^{2}left(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Then with another change of variables $t=r^{2}$ we get that $dt=2rdr$
and so I got
$$
intfrac{dtdtheta}{left(2+tleft(2+sin2thetaright)right)^{alpha}}
$$
Questions:
- Does it help somehow?
- Is there a better change of variables here?
- How can I find the range of $alpha$ that im looking for?
- Is it possible maybe to block the function with and easier one to integral and then use sandwich?
multivariable-calculus multiple-integral change-of-variable
multivariable-calculus multiple-integral change-of-variable
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
Jan 10 at 8:53
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59
add a comment |
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
Jan 10 at 8:53
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
Jan 10 at 8:53
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
Jan 10 at 8:53
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59
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First note that if the integral over one of the four quadrants converge then the integral over the whole plane converges. [Use the transformations $x to -x$ and $y to -y$ for this]. So integrate over $x,y>0$ Note that $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} geq x^{2}+y^{2}$ and $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} leq 2(x^{2}+y^{2})$ since $2xy leq x^{2}+y^{2}$. Now using polar coordinates you see that the integral converges iff $frac {r} {r^{2alpha}}$ is integrable near $infty$ which is true iff $alpha >1$. Note: I have used the inequalities above just to get rid of $sin (theta)$ and $cos (theta)$. When you have a function of $r$ alone it is easy to see when the integral converges.
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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First note that if the integral over one of the four quadrants converge then the integral over the whole plane converges. [Use the transformations $x to -x$ and $y to -y$ for this]. So integrate over $x,y>0$ Note that $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} geq x^{2}+y^{2}$ and $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} leq 2(x^{2}+y^{2})$ since $2xy leq x^{2}+y^{2}$. Now using polar coordinates you see that the integral converges iff $frac {r} {r^{2alpha}}$ is integrable near $infty$ which is true iff $alpha >1$. Note: I have used the inequalities above just to get rid of $sin (theta)$ and $cos (theta)$. When you have a function of $r$ alone it is easy to see when the integral converges.
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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First note that if the integral over one of the four quadrants converge then the integral over the whole plane converges. [Use the transformations $x to -x$ and $y to -y$ for this]. So integrate over $x,y>0$ Note that $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} geq x^{2}+y^{2}$ and $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} leq 2(x^{2}+y^{2})$ since $2xy leq x^{2}+y^{2}$. Now using polar coordinates you see that the integral converges iff $frac {r} {r^{2alpha}}$ is integrable near $infty$ which is true iff $alpha >1$. Note: I have used the inequalities above just to get rid of $sin (theta)$ and $cos (theta)$. When you have a function of $r$ alone it is easy to see when the integral converges.
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
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First note that if the integral over one of the four quadrants converge then the integral over the whole plane converges. [Use the transformations $x to -x$ and $y to -y$ for this]. So integrate over $x,y>0$ Note that $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} geq x^{2}+y^{2}$ and $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} leq 2(x^{2}+y^{2})$ since $2xy leq x^{2}+y^{2}$. Now using polar coordinates you see that the integral converges iff $frac {r} {r^{2alpha}}$ is integrable near $infty$ which is true iff $alpha >1$. Note: I have used the inequalities above just to get rid of $sin (theta)$ and $cos (theta)$. When you have a function of $r$ alone it is easy to see when the integral converges.
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First note that if the integral over one of the four quadrants converge then the integral over the whole plane converges. [Use the transformations $x to -x$ and $y to -y$ for this]. So integrate over $x,y>0$ Note that $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} geq x^{2}+y^{2}$ and $x^{2}+xy+y^{2} leq 2(x^{2}+y^{2})$ since $2xy leq x^{2}+y^{2}$. Now using polar coordinates you see that the integral converges iff $frac {r} {r^{2alpha}}$ is integrable near $infty$ which is true iff $alpha >1$. Note: I have used the inequalities above just to get rid of $sin (theta)$ and $cos (theta)$. When you have a function of $r$ alone it is easy to see when the integral converges.
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 9:11
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 9:11
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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The Jacobian of the polar transformation is $r$, not $r^2$. Then we integrate $dtheta$, a fixed total angle - it should be $frac{r}{r^{2alpha}}$ we're testing for integrability at $infty$.
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– jmerry
Jan 10 at 9:07
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 9:11
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@jmerry Thanks for the correction. I have edited my answer.
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Since the integrand is asymptotic to $r^{-2 alpha}$, you have convergence whenever $- 2 alpha < -1$, i.e. for $alpha >1$.
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– Crostul
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Is there a way to actually compute the integral?
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– Jon
Jan 10 at 8:55
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@Crostul There is a factor of $r^{2}$ coming in when you switch to polar coordinates.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:57
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@Jon Explicit computation of integral may not be possible.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 10 at 8:59