$fcirc g$ vs $gcirc f $ Riemann integrable [closed]

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Let $f, g : [0,1] rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be defined by
$ f(x) = begin{cases} frac{1}{q} text{if $x = p/q$ and $gcd(p,q)=1$, $p, q in mathbb{N}$} \ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
and $g(x) = begin{cases} 1 text {if $xin mathbb{Q} $ }\ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
then choose the correct option
$1)$ $fcirc g$ is Riemann integrable
$2)$ $gcirc f$ is Riemann integrable
My attempt : I think both $1)$ and $2)$ are Riemann integrable because composition of Riemann integrable is Riemann integrable
any hints/solution
real-analysis riemann-integration function-and-relation-composition
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Let $f, g : [0,1] rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be defined by
$ f(x) = begin{cases} frac{1}{q} text{if $x = p/q$ and $gcd(p,q)=1$, $p, q in mathbb{N}$} \ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
and $g(x) = begin{cases} 1 text {if $xin mathbb{Q} $ }\ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
then choose the correct option
$1)$ $fcirc g$ is Riemann integrable
$2)$ $gcirc f$ is Riemann integrable
My attempt : I think both $1)$ and $2)$ are Riemann integrable because composition of Riemann integrable is Riemann integrable
any hints/solution
real-analysis riemann-integration function-and-relation-composition
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closed as off-topic by RRL, A. Pongrácz, Cesareo, metamorphy, José Carlos Santos Jan 19 at 17:27
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Let $f, g : [0,1] rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be defined by
$ f(x) = begin{cases} frac{1}{q} text{if $x = p/q$ and $gcd(p,q)=1$, $p, q in mathbb{N}$} \ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
and $g(x) = begin{cases} 1 text {if $xin mathbb{Q} $ }\ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
then choose the correct option
$1)$ $fcirc g$ is Riemann integrable
$2)$ $gcirc f$ is Riemann integrable
My attempt : I think both $1)$ and $2)$ are Riemann integrable because composition of Riemann integrable is Riemann integrable
any hints/solution
real-analysis riemann-integration function-and-relation-composition
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Let $f, g : [0,1] rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be defined by
$ f(x) = begin{cases} frac{1}{q} text{if $x = p/q$ and $gcd(p,q)=1$, $p, q in mathbb{N}$} \ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
and $g(x) = begin{cases} 1 text {if $xin mathbb{Q} $ }\ 0 text{otherwise} end{cases}$
then choose the correct option
$1)$ $fcirc g$ is Riemann integrable
$2)$ $gcirc f$ is Riemann integrable
My attempt : I think both $1)$ and $2)$ are Riemann integrable because composition of Riemann integrable is Riemann integrable
any hints/solution
real-analysis riemann-integration function-and-relation-composition
real-analysis riemann-integration function-and-relation-composition
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beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable
That is not true, consider, for example, a composition $g cdot f $ on [1; 2], where $f$ is Riemann function and $g$ is $|sgn|$
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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Not an answer, but a substantial hint:
You write "[both are] reimann integrable beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable".
Perhaps you can make that statement a bit more explicit. Do you mean to say
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $g$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ and $g$ are both Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
The first two claims are false.
If you meant the third one, then to apply it to your particular problem, you need to establish that $f$ and $g$ are in fact Riemann integrable (which isn't true, but I'll leave you to figure out whether one or both are non-integrable).
Of course, even if one is not integrable, it's possible that both compositions are --- the theorem in item 3 is not an "if and only if" theorem.
As a general principle, it's a good idea, when you're confused, to write down all the facts you're using in their complete form (as I've done above), and then check that they are actually facts. :)
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As the other answers have pointed your argument is wrong. In any case, you can calculate explicitly both compositions. For example:
$$xin[0,1]implies f(x)inBbb Qimplies g(f(x)) = 1;$$
$$xinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(1) = 1;$$
$$xnotinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(0) = cdots$$
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beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable
That is not true, consider, for example, a composition $g cdot f $ on [1; 2], where $f$ is Riemann function and $g$ is $|sgn|$
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable
That is not true, consider, for example, a composition $g cdot f $ on [1; 2], where $f$ is Riemann function and $g$ is $|sgn|$
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable
That is not true, consider, for example, a composition $g cdot f $ on [1; 2], where $f$ is Riemann function and $g$ is $|sgn|$
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beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable
That is not true, consider, for example, a composition $g cdot f $ on [1; 2], where $f$ is Riemann function and $g$ is $|sgn|$
answered Jan 12 at 13:52


Anton ZagrivinAnton Zagrivin
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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You get not integrable Dirichlet function. This famous functions might help you answering your own question
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– Anton Zagrivin
Jan 12 at 13:55
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Not an answer, but a substantial hint:
You write "[both are] reimann integrable beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable".
Perhaps you can make that statement a bit more explicit. Do you mean to say
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $g$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ and $g$ are both Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
The first two claims are false.
If you meant the third one, then to apply it to your particular problem, you need to establish that $f$ and $g$ are in fact Riemann integrable (which isn't true, but I'll leave you to figure out whether one or both are non-integrable).
Of course, even if one is not integrable, it's possible that both compositions are --- the theorem in item 3 is not an "if and only if" theorem.
As a general principle, it's a good idea, when you're confused, to write down all the facts you're using in their complete form (as I've done above), and then check that they are actually facts. :)
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Not an answer, but a substantial hint:
You write "[both are] reimann integrable beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable".
Perhaps you can make that statement a bit more explicit. Do you mean to say
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $g$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ and $g$ are both Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
The first two claims are false.
If you meant the third one, then to apply it to your particular problem, you need to establish that $f$ and $g$ are in fact Riemann integrable (which isn't true, but I'll leave you to figure out whether one or both are non-integrable).
Of course, even if one is not integrable, it's possible that both compositions are --- the theorem in item 3 is not an "if and only if" theorem.
As a general principle, it's a good idea, when you're confused, to write down all the facts you're using in their complete form (as I've done above), and then check that they are actually facts. :)
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Not an answer, but a substantial hint:
You write "[both are] reimann integrable beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable".
Perhaps you can make that statement a bit more explicit. Do you mean to say
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $g$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ and $g$ are both Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
The first two claims are false.
If you meant the third one, then to apply it to your particular problem, you need to establish that $f$ and $g$ are in fact Riemann integrable (which isn't true, but I'll leave you to figure out whether one or both are non-integrable).
Of course, even if one is not integrable, it's possible that both compositions are --- the theorem in item 3 is not an "if and only if" theorem.
As a general principle, it's a good idea, when you're confused, to write down all the facts you're using in their complete form (as I've done above), and then check that they are actually facts. :)
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Not an answer, but a substantial hint:
You write "[both are] reimann integrable beacuse composition of reimann integrable is reimann integrable".
Perhaps you can make that statement a bit more explicit. Do you mean to say
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $g$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ is Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
that if $f circ g$ is defined, and $f$ and $g$ are both Riemann integrable, then so is $f circ g$?
The first two claims are false.
If you meant the third one, then to apply it to your particular problem, you need to establish that $f$ and $g$ are in fact Riemann integrable (which isn't true, but I'll leave you to figure out whether one or both are non-integrable).
Of course, even if one is not integrable, it's possible that both compositions are --- the theorem in item 3 is not an "if and only if" theorem.
As a general principle, it's a good idea, when you're confused, to write down all the facts you're using in their complete form (as I've done above), and then check that they are actually facts. :)
answered Jan 12 at 13:56
John HughesJohn Hughes
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As the other answers have pointed your argument is wrong. In any case, you can calculate explicitly both compositions. For example:
$$xin[0,1]implies f(x)inBbb Qimplies g(f(x)) = 1;$$
$$xinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(1) = 1;$$
$$xnotinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(0) = cdots$$
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As the other answers have pointed your argument is wrong. In any case, you can calculate explicitly both compositions. For example:
$$xin[0,1]implies f(x)inBbb Qimplies g(f(x)) = 1;$$
$$xinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(1) = 1;$$
$$xnotinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(0) = cdots$$
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As the other answers have pointed your argument is wrong. In any case, you can calculate explicitly both compositions. For example:
$$xin[0,1]implies f(x)inBbb Qimplies g(f(x)) = 1;$$
$$xinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(1) = 1;$$
$$xnotinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(0) = cdots$$
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As the other answers have pointed your argument is wrong. In any case, you can calculate explicitly both compositions. For example:
$$xin[0,1]implies f(x)inBbb Qimplies g(f(x)) = 1;$$
$$xinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(1) = 1;$$
$$xnotinBbb Qimplies f(g(x)) = f(0) = cdots$$
answered Jan 18 at 19:45
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