Newton vs Leibniz notation
I have often come across the cursory remarks made here and there in calculus lectures , math documentaries or in calculus textbooks that Leibniz's notation for calculus is better off than that of Newton's and is thus more widely used.
Though I have always followed Leibniz's notation( matter of familiarity, as that's what I have been taught) , but of late I had the idea of following Newton's notation just to see where I could get stuck just because of "notational" issues.
Is there any limitation of Newton's notation that I might encounter while doing calculus ; and which may make it seem a bad idea to do calculus in Newton's notation?
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I have often come across the cursory remarks made here and there in calculus lectures , math documentaries or in calculus textbooks that Leibniz's notation for calculus is better off than that of Newton's and is thus more widely used.
Though I have always followed Leibniz's notation( matter of familiarity, as that's what I have been taught) , but of late I had the idea of following Newton's notation just to see where I could get stuck just because of "notational" issues.
Is there any limitation of Newton's notation that I might encounter while doing calculus ; and which may make it seem a bad idea to do calculus in Newton's notation?
calculus notation
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Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
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@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
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When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
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@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
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@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
Oct 14 '16 at 2:38
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I have often come across the cursory remarks made here and there in calculus lectures , math documentaries or in calculus textbooks that Leibniz's notation for calculus is better off than that of Newton's and is thus more widely used.
Though I have always followed Leibniz's notation( matter of familiarity, as that's what I have been taught) , but of late I had the idea of following Newton's notation just to see where I could get stuck just because of "notational" issues.
Is there any limitation of Newton's notation that I might encounter while doing calculus ; and which may make it seem a bad idea to do calculus in Newton's notation?
calculus notation
I have often come across the cursory remarks made here and there in calculus lectures , math documentaries or in calculus textbooks that Leibniz's notation for calculus is better off than that of Newton's and is thus more widely used.
Though I have always followed Leibniz's notation( matter of familiarity, as that's what I have been taught) , but of late I had the idea of following Newton's notation just to see where I could get stuck just because of "notational" issues.
Is there any limitation of Newton's notation that I might encounter while doing calculus ; and which may make it seem a bad idea to do calculus in Newton's notation?
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Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
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@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
3
When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
4
@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
5
@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
Oct 14 '16 at 2:38
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Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
10
@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
3
When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
4
@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
5
@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
Oct 14 '16 at 2:38
2
2
Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
10
10
@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
3
3
When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
4
4
@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
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@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
Oct 14 '16 at 2:38
@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
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Regarding the notations for the derivative:
Upsides of using Leibniz notation:
- It makes most consequences of the chain rule "intuitive". In particular, it is easier to see that $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{dy}{du} cdot frac{du}{dx}$ than it is to see that $[f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. See also $u$-substitution, in which we "define $du := frac{du}{dx}dx$".
- In a physical/scientific setting, it makes it obvious what the units of the new expression (integral or derivative) should be. For instance, if $s$ is in meters and $t$ is in seconds, clearly $frac{ds}{dt}$ should be in meters/second.
Downsides:
- It is harder/clumsier to keep track of arguments of the derivative with this notation. For instance, I can more easily write and keep track of $f'(2)$ than I can $left.frac{dy}{dx} right|_{x=2}$
- It often leads to the mistaken notion that $frac{dy}{dx}$ is a ratio
Notably, almost no one uses Newton's notation for the integral ("antiderivative"), in which the antiderivative of $x(t)$ is $bar x(t)$, $overset{|}{x}(t)$, or $X(t)$ (though this last one occasionally is used in introductory textbooks). Leibniz notation seems to be the clear winner in that regard.
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Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
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In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
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No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
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@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
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The most obvious difference is that the Leibnitz notation strictly defines what the independent variable is. In basic calculus we tend, as a rule, to derive a function "y" of a variable "x", but what happens when you want to derive the function
$w = 3x+4m$?
How would the Newton notation help you understand which is the variable and which is the parameter?
Also, in integrals, the notation makes methods like substitution or integration by parts much simpler as you use the "dx" symbol as if it were a substitutable variable.
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In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
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I think it's best to use both notations simultaneously.
For instance, my preferred statement of the chain rule is:
$$frac{d}{dx}f(y) = f'(y)frac{d}{dx} y$$
For example, we can write:
$$frac{d}{dx} sin(x^3) = sin'(x^3)frac{d}{dx}x^3 = cos(x^3)cdot 3x^2 = 3x^2 cos(x^3)$$
Try to do this using just Newtonian notation, or just Leibnizian notation; you'll quickly notice that both are harder.
There's also multivariable versions. For instance:
$$frac{d}{dt}f(x,y) = (D_0 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} x+(D_1 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} y$$
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I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
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i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
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Gottfried Liebniz developed his calculus around 1673 and published it at 1684, fifty years before Newton's work1 on that subject was posthumously published. That could be one of the reasons why it is more widely used.
Additionally, that time difference in writing and publishing became a subject of rivalry over who of the two mathematicians first developed calculus, one of the direct implications of that conflict was the use of notation from the respective followers, leading to many difficulties for further developing of calculus in England2 for many years.
Nowadays, both notations are being used interchangeably depending on the stage of the solution of the equation involving derivatives, for example: for algebraic manipulations one can use the more brief Newton notation, but when the time comes to separate the variables one writes the terms using Liebniz notation. Newton's notations (for derivatives) specifically is being more widely used in, mechanics, electrical circuit analysis and more generally in equations where differentiation is more obvious.
1. Method of Fluxions is the book in which Newton describes differential calculus and it was completed in 1671, but published in 1736.
2. An opinion described in Men of Mathematics by E. T. Bell
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Wikipedia has a dedicated page on Notation for differentiation, in short:
- Leibniz $frac{dx}{dt}$
- Newton $dot{x}$
- Lagrange $x'(t)$
Leibniz notation is suggestive, thanks to the cancelling of the differentials
in the chain rule for derivatives:
$$
frac{dy}{dt}=frac{dy}{dx}frac{dx}{dt}
$$
however great care must be taken, as this notation can also be misleading for higher order derivatives:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}frac{dx^2}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2
$$
which is wrong, the right formula is:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2+frac{dy}{dx}frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
$$
You have not this problem with Lagrange notation:
$$
y(x(t))''=(y'(x(t))x'(t))'=y''(x(t))(x'(t))^2+y'(x(t))x''(t)
$$
This problem (and others) with the Leibniz notation is well known when teaching differential calculus, see:
H. Poincaré, La Notation Différentielle et l'enseignement (pdf)
J. Hadamard, La notion de différentielle dans l'enseignement (pdf)
unfortunately both in French, however you can find an English translation of Hadamard's article here.
You can also see:
Differentials, higher-order differentials and the derivative in the Leibnizian calculus (pdf)
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Regarding the notations for the derivative:
Upsides of using Leibniz notation:
- It makes most consequences of the chain rule "intuitive". In particular, it is easier to see that $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{dy}{du} cdot frac{du}{dx}$ than it is to see that $[f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. See also $u$-substitution, in which we "define $du := frac{du}{dx}dx$".
- In a physical/scientific setting, it makes it obvious what the units of the new expression (integral or derivative) should be. For instance, if $s$ is in meters and $t$ is in seconds, clearly $frac{ds}{dt}$ should be in meters/second.
Downsides:
- It is harder/clumsier to keep track of arguments of the derivative with this notation. For instance, I can more easily write and keep track of $f'(2)$ than I can $left.frac{dy}{dx} right|_{x=2}$
- It often leads to the mistaken notion that $frac{dy}{dx}$ is a ratio
Notably, almost no one uses Newton's notation for the integral ("antiderivative"), in which the antiderivative of $x(t)$ is $bar x(t)$, $overset{|}{x}(t)$, or $X(t)$ (though this last one occasionally is used in introductory textbooks). Leibniz notation seems to be the clear winner in that regard.
11
Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
4
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
3
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
3
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
|
show 5 more comments
Regarding the notations for the derivative:
Upsides of using Leibniz notation:
- It makes most consequences of the chain rule "intuitive". In particular, it is easier to see that $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{dy}{du} cdot frac{du}{dx}$ than it is to see that $[f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. See also $u$-substitution, in which we "define $du := frac{du}{dx}dx$".
- In a physical/scientific setting, it makes it obvious what the units of the new expression (integral or derivative) should be. For instance, if $s$ is in meters and $t$ is in seconds, clearly $frac{ds}{dt}$ should be in meters/second.
Downsides:
- It is harder/clumsier to keep track of arguments of the derivative with this notation. For instance, I can more easily write and keep track of $f'(2)$ than I can $left.frac{dy}{dx} right|_{x=2}$
- It often leads to the mistaken notion that $frac{dy}{dx}$ is a ratio
Notably, almost no one uses Newton's notation for the integral ("antiderivative"), in which the antiderivative of $x(t)$ is $bar x(t)$, $overset{|}{x}(t)$, or $X(t)$ (though this last one occasionally is used in introductory textbooks). Leibniz notation seems to be the clear winner in that regard.
11
Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
4
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
3
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
3
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
|
show 5 more comments
Regarding the notations for the derivative:
Upsides of using Leibniz notation:
- It makes most consequences of the chain rule "intuitive". In particular, it is easier to see that $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{dy}{du} cdot frac{du}{dx}$ than it is to see that $[f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. See also $u$-substitution, in which we "define $du := frac{du}{dx}dx$".
- In a physical/scientific setting, it makes it obvious what the units of the new expression (integral or derivative) should be. For instance, if $s$ is in meters and $t$ is in seconds, clearly $frac{ds}{dt}$ should be in meters/second.
Downsides:
- It is harder/clumsier to keep track of arguments of the derivative with this notation. For instance, I can more easily write and keep track of $f'(2)$ than I can $left.frac{dy}{dx} right|_{x=2}$
- It often leads to the mistaken notion that $frac{dy}{dx}$ is a ratio
Notably, almost no one uses Newton's notation for the integral ("antiderivative"), in which the antiderivative of $x(t)$ is $bar x(t)$, $overset{|}{x}(t)$, or $X(t)$ (though this last one occasionally is used in introductory textbooks). Leibniz notation seems to be the clear winner in that regard.
Regarding the notations for the derivative:
Upsides of using Leibniz notation:
- It makes most consequences of the chain rule "intuitive". In particular, it is easier to see that $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{dy}{du} cdot frac{du}{dx}$ than it is to see that $[f(g(x))]' = f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. See also $u$-substitution, in which we "define $du := frac{du}{dx}dx$".
- In a physical/scientific setting, it makes it obvious what the units of the new expression (integral or derivative) should be. For instance, if $s$ is in meters and $t$ is in seconds, clearly $frac{ds}{dt}$ should be in meters/second.
Downsides:
- It is harder/clumsier to keep track of arguments of the derivative with this notation. For instance, I can more easily write and keep track of $f'(2)$ than I can $left.frac{dy}{dx} right|_{x=2}$
- It often leads to the mistaken notion that $frac{dy}{dx}$ is a ratio
Notably, almost no one uses Newton's notation for the integral ("antiderivative"), in which the antiderivative of $x(t)$ is $bar x(t)$, $overset{|}{x}(t)$, or $X(t)$ (though this last one occasionally is used in introductory textbooks). Leibniz notation seems to be the clear winner in that regard.
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Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
4
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
3
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
3
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
|
show 5 more comments
11
Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
4
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
3
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
3
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
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11
Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
Newton's earliest use of dots, to indicate velocities or fluxions [i.e. derivative with respect to time] is found on a leaf dated May 20, 1665. Newton never used $f'$. Lagrange in his Theorie des fonctions analytiques (1797) introduced the new symbols : $f'x$ for the first derivative, $f''x$ for the first derivative of $f'x$, and so on ... See Cajori § 575.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:34
4
4
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
In his Tractatus de quadratura curvarum (1704) Newton uses a vertical bar (and not horizontal) on $x$ to indicate the quantity whose fluxion is $x$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 13:49
4
4
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
In Principia (1687), Book II, Lemma II, Newton uses capital letters $A, B, C$ for fluents and small letters $a, b, c$ for their fluxions. In summary, Newton's signs of integration were never popular, not even in England : even the Newtonian John Keill mixed dots for fluxions and the Leibnizian $int$ for integrals.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:01
3
3
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
No, thanks. The OP's question was not about "history" but about "benefits" of competing notations; thus, history decided (for Leibniz) and the reason you give are correct. The only aim of my comments is to add some historical facts about Newton's original notation.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:32
3
3
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
@JannikPitt treating it as a ratio under justified circumstances is one thing. However, as is well-explained in the link, blindly treating $dy/dx$ as a ratio can lead to incorrect conclusions.
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 17:43
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The most obvious difference is that the Leibnitz notation strictly defines what the independent variable is. In basic calculus we tend, as a rule, to derive a function "y" of a variable "x", but what happens when you want to derive the function
$w = 3x+4m$?
How would the Newton notation help you understand which is the variable and which is the parameter?
Also, in integrals, the notation makes methods like substitution or integration by parts much simpler as you use the "dx" symbol as if it were a substitutable variable.
5
In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
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The most obvious difference is that the Leibnitz notation strictly defines what the independent variable is. In basic calculus we tend, as a rule, to derive a function "y" of a variable "x", but what happens when you want to derive the function
$w = 3x+4m$?
How would the Newton notation help you understand which is the variable and which is the parameter?
Also, in integrals, the notation makes methods like substitution or integration by parts much simpler as you use the "dx" symbol as if it were a substitutable variable.
5
In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
add a comment |
The most obvious difference is that the Leibnitz notation strictly defines what the independent variable is. In basic calculus we tend, as a rule, to derive a function "y" of a variable "x", but what happens when you want to derive the function
$w = 3x+4m$?
How would the Newton notation help you understand which is the variable and which is the parameter?
Also, in integrals, the notation makes methods like substitution or integration by parts much simpler as you use the "dx" symbol as if it were a substitutable variable.
The most obvious difference is that the Leibnitz notation strictly defines what the independent variable is. In basic calculus we tend, as a rule, to derive a function "y" of a variable "x", but what happens when you want to derive the function
$w = 3x+4m$?
How would the Newton notation help you understand which is the variable and which is the parameter?
Also, in integrals, the notation makes methods like substitution or integration by parts much simpler as you use the "dx" symbol as if it were a substitutable variable.
edited Oct 13 '16 at 13:47
answered Oct 13 '16 at 13:40
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In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
add a comment |
5
In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
5
5
In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
In Newton's oroginal papers both variables $x$ and $y$ are "functions" of a common parameter $o$ (in the "intended" application, i.e. physics : $o$ is time). Thus, $dot x$ is "equivalent to $dx/do$ and $dot y$ to $dy/do$.
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Oct 13 '16 at 14:03
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I think it's best to use both notations simultaneously.
For instance, my preferred statement of the chain rule is:
$$frac{d}{dx}f(y) = f'(y)frac{d}{dx} y$$
For example, we can write:
$$frac{d}{dx} sin(x^3) = sin'(x^3)frac{d}{dx}x^3 = cos(x^3)cdot 3x^2 = 3x^2 cos(x^3)$$
Try to do this using just Newtonian notation, or just Leibnizian notation; you'll quickly notice that both are harder.
There's also multivariable versions. For instance:
$$frac{d}{dt}f(x,y) = (D_0 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} x+(D_1 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} y$$
2
I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
2
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
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I think it's best to use both notations simultaneously.
For instance, my preferred statement of the chain rule is:
$$frac{d}{dx}f(y) = f'(y)frac{d}{dx} y$$
For example, we can write:
$$frac{d}{dx} sin(x^3) = sin'(x^3)frac{d}{dx}x^3 = cos(x^3)cdot 3x^2 = 3x^2 cos(x^3)$$
Try to do this using just Newtonian notation, or just Leibnizian notation; you'll quickly notice that both are harder.
There's also multivariable versions. For instance:
$$frac{d}{dt}f(x,y) = (D_0 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} x+(D_1 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} y$$
2
I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
2
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
add a comment |
I think it's best to use both notations simultaneously.
For instance, my preferred statement of the chain rule is:
$$frac{d}{dx}f(y) = f'(y)frac{d}{dx} y$$
For example, we can write:
$$frac{d}{dx} sin(x^3) = sin'(x^3)frac{d}{dx}x^3 = cos(x^3)cdot 3x^2 = 3x^2 cos(x^3)$$
Try to do this using just Newtonian notation, or just Leibnizian notation; you'll quickly notice that both are harder.
There's also multivariable versions. For instance:
$$frac{d}{dt}f(x,y) = (D_0 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} x+(D_1 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} y$$
I think it's best to use both notations simultaneously.
For instance, my preferred statement of the chain rule is:
$$frac{d}{dx}f(y) = f'(y)frac{d}{dx} y$$
For example, we can write:
$$frac{d}{dx} sin(x^3) = sin'(x^3)frac{d}{dx}x^3 = cos(x^3)cdot 3x^2 = 3x^2 cos(x^3)$$
Try to do this using just Newtonian notation, or just Leibnizian notation; you'll quickly notice that both are harder.
There's also multivariable versions. For instance:
$$frac{d}{dt}f(x,y) = (D_0 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} x+(D_1 f)(x,y) frac{d}{dt} y$$
edited Oct 13 '16 at 13:59
answered Oct 13 '16 at 13:43
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I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
2
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
add a comment |
2
I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
2
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
2
2
I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
I don't think this really answers the question.
– tomasz
Oct 13 '16 at 18:45
2
2
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
i think i learned something from this answer thanks!
– the0ther
Oct 13 '16 at 23:31
add a comment |
Gottfried Liebniz developed his calculus around 1673 and published it at 1684, fifty years before Newton's work1 on that subject was posthumously published. That could be one of the reasons why it is more widely used.
Additionally, that time difference in writing and publishing became a subject of rivalry over who of the two mathematicians first developed calculus, one of the direct implications of that conflict was the use of notation from the respective followers, leading to many difficulties for further developing of calculus in England2 for many years.
Nowadays, both notations are being used interchangeably depending on the stage of the solution of the equation involving derivatives, for example: for algebraic manipulations one can use the more brief Newton notation, but when the time comes to separate the variables one writes the terms using Liebniz notation. Newton's notations (for derivatives) specifically is being more widely used in, mechanics, electrical circuit analysis and more generally in equations where differentiation is more obvious.
1. Method of Fluxions is the book in which Newton describes differential calculus and it was completed in 1671, but published in 1736.
2. An opinion described in Men of Mathematics by E. T. Bell
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Gottfried Liebniz developed his calculus around 1673 and published it at 1684, fifty years before Newton's work1 on that subject was posthumously published. That could be one of the reasons why it is more widely used.
Additionally, that time difference in writing and publishing became a subject of rivalry over who of the two mathematicians first developed calculus, one of the direct implications of that conflict was the use of notation from the respective followers, leading to many difficulties for further developing of calculus in England2 for many years.
Nowadays, both notations are being used interchangeably depending on the stage of the solution of the equation involving derivatives, for example: for algebraic manipulations one can use the more brief Newton notation, but when the time comes to separate the variables one writes the terms using Liebniz notation. Newton's notations (for derivatives) specifically is being more widely used in, mechanics, electrical circuit analysis and more generally in equations where differentiation is more obvious.
1. Method of Fluxions is the book in which Newton describes differential calculus and it was completed in 1671, but published in 1736.
2. An opinion described in Men of Mathematics by E. T. Bell
add a comment |
Gottfried Liebniz developed his calculus around 1673 and published it at 1684, fifty years before Newton's work1 on that subject was posthumously published. That could be one of the reasons why it is more widely used.
Additionally, that time difference in writing and publishing became a subject of rivalry over who of the two mathematicians first developed calculus, one of the direct implications of that conflict was the use of notation from the respective followers, leading to many difficulties for further developing of calculus in England2 for many years.
Nowadays, both notations are being used interchangeably depending on the stage of the solution of the equation involving derivatives, for example: for algebraic manipulations one can use the more brief Newton notation, but when the time comes to separate the variables one writes the terms using Liebniz notation. Newton's notations (for derivatives) specifically is being more widely used in, mechanics, electrical circuit analysis and more generally in equations where differentiation is more obvious.
1. Method of Fluxions is the book in which Newton describes differential calculus and it was completed in 1671, but published in 1736.
2. An opinion described in Men of Mathematics by E. T. Bell
Gottfried Liebniz developed his calculus around 1673 and published it at 1684, fifty years before Newton's work1 on that subject was posthumously published. That could be one of the reasons why it is more widely used.
Additionally, that time difference in writing and publishing became a subject of rivalry over who of the two mathematicians first developed calculus, one of the direct implications of that conflict was the use of notation from the respective followers, leading to many difficulties for further developing of calculus in England2 for many years.
Nowadays, both notations are being used interchangeably depending on the stage of the solution of the equation involving derivatives, for example: for algebraic manipulations one can use the more brief Newton notation, but when the time comes to separate the variables one writes the terms using Liebniz notation. Newton's notations (for derivatives) specifically is being more widely used in, mechanics, electrical circuit analysis and more generally in equations where differentiation is more obvious.
1. Method of Fluxions is the book in which Newton describes differential calculus and it was completed in 1671, but published in 1736.
2. An opinion described in Men of Mathematics by E. T. Bell
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Wikipedia has a dedicated page on Notation for differentiation, in short:
- Leibniz $frac{dx}{dt}$
- Newton $dot{x}$
- Lagrange $x'(t)$
Leibniz notation is suggestive, thanks to the cancelling of the differentials
in the chain rule for derivatives:
$$
frac{dy}{dt}=frac{dy}{dx}frac{dx}{dt}
$$
however great care must be taken, as this notation can also be misleading for higher order derivatives:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}frac{dx^2}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2
$$
which is wrong, the right formula is:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2+frac{dy}{dx}frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
$$
You have not this problem with Lagrange notation:
$$
y(x(t))''=(y'(x(t))x'(t))'=y''(x(t))(x'(t))^2+y'(x(t))x''(t)
$$
This problem (and others) with the Leibniz notation is well known when teaching differential calculus, see:
H. Poincaré, La Notation Différentielle et l'enseignement (pdf)
J. Hadamard, La notion de différentielle dans l'enseignement (pdf)
unfortunately both in French, however you can find an English translation of Hadamard's article here.
You can also see:
Differentials, higher-order differentials and the derivative in the Leibnizian calculus (pdf)
add a comment |
Wikipedia has a dedicated page on Notation for differentiation, in short:
- Leibniz $frac{dx}{dt}$
- Newton $dot{x}$
- Lagrange $x'(t)$
Leibniz notation is suggestive, thanks to the cancelling of the differentials
in the chain rule for derivatives:
$$
frac{dy}{dt}=frac{dy}{dx}frac{dx}{dt}
$$
however great care must be taken, as this notation can also be misleading for higher order derivatives:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}frac{dx^2}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2
$$
which is wrong, the right formula is:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2+frac{dy}{dx}frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
$$
You have not this problem with Lagrange notation:
$$
y(x(t))''=(y'(x(t))x'(t))'=y''(x(t))(x'(t))^2+y'(x(t))x''(t)
$$
This problem (and others) with the Leibniz notation is well known when teaching differential calculus, see:
H. Poincaré, La Notation Différentielle et l'enseignement (pdf)
J. Hadamard, La notion de différentielle dans l'enseignement (pdf)
unfortunately both in French, however you can find an English translation of Hadamard's article here.
You can also see:
Differentials, higher-order differentials and the derivative in the Leibnizian calculus (pdf)
add a comment |
Wikipedia has a dedicated page on Notation for differentiation, in short:
- Leibniz $frac{dx}{dt}$
- Newton $dot{x}$
- Lagrange $x'(t)$
Leibniz notation is suggestive, thanks to the cancelling of the differentials
in the chain rule for derivatives:
$$
frac{dy}{dt}=frac{dy}{dx}frac{dx}{dt}
$$
however great care must be taken, as this notation can also be misleading for higher order derivatives:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}frac{dx^2}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2
$$
which is wrong, the right formula is:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2+frac{dy}{dx}frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
$$
You have not this problem with Lagrange notation:
$$
y(x(t))''=(y'(x(t))x'(t))'=y''(x(t))(x'(t))^2+y'(x(t))x''(t)
$$
This problem (and others) with the Leibniz notation is well known when teaching differential calculus, see:
H. Poincaré, La Notation Différentielle et l'enseignement (pdf)
J. Hadamard, La notion de différentielle dans l'enseignement (pdf)
unfortunately both in French, however you can find an English translation of Hadamard's article here.
You can also see:
Differentials, higher-order differentials and the derivative in the Leibnizian calculus (pdf)
Wikipedia has a dedicated page on Notation for differentiation, in short:
- Leibniz $frac{dx}{dt}$
- Newton $dot{x}$
- Lagrange $x'(t)$
Leibniz notation is suggestive, thanks to the cancelling of the differentials
in the chain rule for derivatives:
$$
frac{dy}{dt}=frac{dy}{dx}frac{dx}{dt}
$$
however great care must be taken, as this notation can also be misleading for higher order derivatives:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}frac{dx^2}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2
$$
which is wrong, the right formula is:
$$
frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=frac{d^2y}{dx^2}left(frac{dx}{dt}right)^2+frac{dy}{dx}frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
$$
You have not this problem with Lagrange notation:
$$
y(x(t))''=(y'(x(t))x'(t))'=y''(x(t))(x'(t))^2+y'(x(t))x''(t)
$$
This problem (and others) with the Leibniz notation is well known when teaching differential calculus, see:
H. Poincaré, La Notation Différentielle et l'enseignement (pdf)
J. Hadamard, La notion de différentielle dans l'enseignement (pdf)
unfortunately both in French, however you can find an English translation of Hadamard's article here.
You can also see:
Differentials, higher-order differentials and the derivative in the Leibnizian calculus (pdf)
answered 2 days ago
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Please show us what notations you are referring to.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:06
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@YvesDaoust "Leibnitz notation" is $frac{dy}{dx}$ for the derivative of $y$, whereas "Newton's notation" is $y'$ or $dot{y}$
– Omnomnomnom
Oct 13 '16 at 13:09
3
When I took a Control Theory course I used almost exclusively Newton's notation, possibly for practicality. On the other hand, for Dynamic Systems it's really practical to use both. Finally, when you work some Chemistry or Physics, Leibniz's notation might be more natural because it shows differentiation wrt to something specific.
– Cehhiro
Oct 13 '16 at 13:13
4
@Omnomnomnom: there are also Leibniz' and Newton's notations for the antiderivatives. I'd prefer the OP to comment.
– Yves Daoust
Oct 13 '16 at 13:20
5
@Omnomnomnom Actually, only ẏ is Newton's notation. y′ is Lagrange's notation.
– user3932000
Oct 14 '16 at 2:38